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[chemelec]

Pertyfly, I appreciate Your Post, However:
I was told I was going to be Ignored on this particular topic, So I'll just sit on the sidelines and laugh at these guys doing the same experiments over and over again.
Most are experiments I did many, many years ago, along with thousands of others.
No Problem, Not even upset as I have Many things on the go.
But when certain people don't listen or even try to understand, there is not much point in talking or to explain anything.

There is only one possibility that I have ever been able to think of that might produce actual Perpetual motion. Unfortunately one very necessary component for this device hasn't been invented yet. I also can't think of how to invent this piece, so I'm Waiting.
And Based on the Very Unscientific Approach of guys on this forum, I wouldn't bother suggesting it.

Just one final point:
It is Typically claimed here that OU is Not Perpetual Motion.

Perpetual Motion is basically a device that can run forever with an Increased output power.
(I'm not sure if this defination take into account certain parts actually wearing out. Example: Bearings)

From what I gather here: An "Example" of OU: Would be a Battery powered device that puts out More power than goes into it.

Well if you use a battery to start such a device, than capacitors to Maintain a Charge after disconnecting that battery and a generator to keep the caps charged while at the same time drawing off other power to do other work, THAT IS PERPETUAL MOTION.

Sorry, No More Comments here.

[BillyHydrogen]

Ok, I will take time tomorrow to start on this again and take pics. I dont remember saying anything about perpetual motion. Merely, a device to get more for your money. Please dont be offended chemelec, Not at all the goal here. Goal being to Learn ,understand, and develope. But I just cannot agree with your scenerio.I most definately will listen to what anyone has to say. Please, tell your opinions. Doesnt mean one cannot disagree with you as you may choose to disagree with others. I think this forum is dealing with many complicated issues. Is our world free from oil yet? If not, our job here is just beginning.

[BillyHydrogen]

[quote="pertyfly"].

I do see how his example is not the one mentioned. Why not put an ex. of the circuit described so it's easier to visualize possibly?



O.k. I posted a very crude drawing of this in my folders under rectifier.

[chemelec]

I Presume this is what your attempting to draw?

Read Carefully.
Since your Output is Not Filtered, your output is NOT DC and the voltages will not divide Exactially as stated.
Rectified DC is Not the same as Real DC From a battery.
It Contains AC Ripple.

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[chemelec]

BillyHydrogen, Actually Most devices will work with even a 20% deviation.

Considering the Differences between the AC Input and the DC Output, It isn't the Voltage Drops that are really Important. It is the Wattage Differences. You can't Easily Measure these Differences with a VoltMeter.
The Output Contains Different Waveforms than the Input and a conventional meter will Not give a Correct Reading.
A True RMS Meter is Better, But Still has its Limitations as it can only measure RMS within a limited range of waveforms.

To Be Accurate, You need to Measure the True RMS Wattage on the Input.
You than need to measure the Actual True Wattage being Consumed by your load.
And Finally the Output DC Wattage.

Than Compare these figures to determine if there is Actually any GAIN.

Believe Me, I totally understand What your doing, and Yes you do get an Output that APPEARS to be Free. But in Reality the Power to your load is Reduced by the Power Out. Therefore No actual Gain.

However, I can understand Why you think your getting something for nothing and with your limited knowledge, there is no way I can get you to understand this, Unless you actually get your friend to Correctly Perform the Above Tests.
Yes it Sort of Works, But No there is No Real GAIN.