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Chemalloy as an Electrode Material

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Postby Orange_Crusader » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:41 pm

Let me clear this up a bit...

I also don't know for certain that it's chemalloy rods that are being used, but the video was linked in the patent article (added in by site operator), under the heading "* solid rod decomposes rod via electrolysis", or something along those lines.

According to the patent, the powder, with NO external input or influence, will produce hydroxy. The amount probably won't be very large, but it will produce it. I'll be ordering some bars, and possibly powder (and possibly from different sources, depending on initial cost, shipping, etc.), so I can test some of these claims out.

There's a fellow who holds a garage sale every saturday, and sells a ton of various equipment, all labeled from a research lab, which he used to be a technician in. He has variable transformers, pulse generators, everything and anything I'd like or need, and each item is about $10 CAD. So, the basement will be full of "junk", and I'll be starting up a project folder here to show what I find.

As far as I know, the powder is not used up in seperating water. Maybe it simply becomes inactive, and has to be "recharged", maybe by drying off, electrical input, I don't know yet. It doesn't react explosively with water, and the hotter the temperature, the faster the reaction starts, but it does level off (cold water is warmed up) eventually, as said in the patent.

I'll test how long (hopefully a long, long time) a unit of powder (once/if I get it) lasts in water, producing hydroxy. I'll also see if it's possible to regenerate its ability to do so.

I have meyer's cell diagrams, circuits, etc. somewhere around here (buried in My Favorites), so I'll take a look at it and see how much of it can apply to this. I have quite a bit of other inventions and projects on the run with this, some possibly linked to it (engine designs, power usage and supply, etc.). Mostly combining inventions from several people, time eras, etc. into new things, with some changes. It'll all be in my project folder (once I have some running) later on. I don't think I can patent it without making some decent changes to the original designs (not needed, however), so I'll probably be making this publically available information.

As for the cell, having several Chemalloy tubes, alternating cathode/anode (as dkmanmillan pointed out) would be beneficial, I think. More surface area is always good.

Once I get the equipment and supplies, I'll fiddle with settings (tryng conventional high amp, low voltage, regular frequency, versus high voltage, low amperage, high frequency, etc.) and see how it does.

The battery effect seems intriguing. Could make for quite a nice power source (two dozen or so small bar-cells in series, using water for power) That water, if it's still usable, can be routed to the cell. I 'll be in contact with both Durafix and Nuenergy. If I can, I'll get both powder and bar samples, possibly one from each supplier. Shopping the competition.... :)
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Postby pertyfly » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:19 pm

Orange....

what location are you in roughly? I see you're talking in CAD currency :D Are you from Ontario, possibly?

Just curious, as I would be interested in that garage sale :)
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Postby Orange_Crusader » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:15 pm

Yes, I'm in Ontario. To be specific, I'm in Barrie, about an hour north of Toronto. I'm not sure of the exact location of the garage sale (it's walking distance from my house, so I call dibs on that variable transformer and pulse generator), but my parents know (we got a power supply 0-25V at 0.1A from him before), so i'll ask. It's every saturday, since he seems to have so much stuff to sell, and there's new ad different things each time. I'll be there very often, you can bet. You can email me about it, if you like, at: OrangeCrusader at gmail dot com. The power supply is marked "Canadian Research Laboratories", seems to be from the 70's to 80's-made. Works perfectly, and doesn't have a scratch on it. As I said, at the price, those are absolute bargains, and my only (really usable, and affordable) source of equipment. I wonder what kind of work he did with it, if he has everything I need...

And, and update, Nuenergy's bars (new shipment) are at $24.95 for a pound of bars, and I e-mailed Durafix asking about the average weight per order, or weight per bar. Their powder is $20 for a pound (this paragraph is all in USD), so I'll compare prices per pound of powder and bars for both sources. It's not much of a pain to grind some to a powder myself, but if cost difference is big enough, might as well buy it already powdered. I'll probably only get bars to start with, then powder and plates as needed. Nuenergy should be offering plates by late October, if anyone is interested.

And this seems to have stirred up a bit of curiosity and interest here, I hope that a few others will decide to get some Chemalloy and test this out. Or I'll just have to guinea-pig it first. Keep the questions and whatnot coming, I'll answer what I can, and if anyone has some experience or knowledge about this, feel free to pitch in. :)
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Postby thrival » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:16 pm

Orange:

As for configurations using powder, there's two that come
to my mind: vertical plates of any distance apart with
powder & water in between, or horizontal plates, upper
and lower, with the upper one perforated. In fact SS
screen for the upper plate might be ideal. A small,
separate compartment for a float system or siphon
tube to keep the water level constant.
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Postby Orange_Crusader » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:08 pm

The powder (through the force of the bubbles, movement, surface area, etc.) should be able to either float on top of the water, settle at the bottom (if large-sized particles), or simply circulate through the container. Hopefully the latter, since it give us more particles spread in a larger area (all around), and possibly higher production.

I like the idea of a float valve, it's pretty idiot-proof, nearly maintenance free, simple to set to different level, and easy to incorporate. I hope that the water feed system always has some water in it, since we could have a small problem of some hydroxy escaping into the water tank, so a safety valve on top of that would be helpful, I think. I'll save the small issues (like this one) until I have something to test with. Working out possible problems and gathering ideas/designs now is a great idea, though. I just don't want to get too carried away, hinging everything on whether or not it performs adequetely. I'll still post and comment on ideas and plans for it, though. The idea is for a self-controlled and self-regulating design, with water input being the only needed step, and possily initial setup and tuning. As simple as we can make it, and at least as managable and safe as gasoline. Hard to do, working with hydroxy, but bubblers, safety blow-off valves and various sensors (water level, gas pressure, production, etc.) should help. :)
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