Mag Drive

[freddyflatfoot]

Does anyone have any info on the Mag Drive series of WFC's?
I have seen his videos on ݯurtube', but have been unable to access his website. I am especially intrigued by his design of using one way valves, to switch his hydroxy feed, from the PVC vaccum intake to the intake, and then into the air intake under acceleration. It would seem to me that he is feeding from his WFC by constant vacuum. Makes sense to do it this way, and there have been a couple of posts on the Hydroxy forum, suggesting a twofold increase in production, by simply applying a vacuum to your cell.
Does anyone have any thought/comments/experience in this area?
Cheers,
Rob

[waterbard]

I've been studying a standard fuel injection system for a H booster and vapor carb application, and looking especially in all the spots on the intake manifold that accept gas vapors, for emission elimination, and am working those into my auto application. Some have major vacuum. The air intake for any system is too open, and won't create any back pressure on the cell container, but if you apply it to a proper port, like, right after the line from your gas tank that collects evaporated fuel, then it has potential.

Old cars are different than new. If you run a new car and take the oil cap off the valve cover, it will not idle properly. It requires a vacuum even there.

I haven't researched this yet, but am curious to see what the affects are of reduced atmosphere has in an electrolyzer. Ambient air pressure is 14.7 psi. You drop a cell below that, could it weaken the surface tension of water?

I dunno, but its worth a look.

Some cars have smog pumps, and those might be useful in creating a vacuum, or just pumping hydroxy out of the cell.

[kevinsatterfield]

hey flatfoot I just ordered a MAXIGEN from Jim a couple days ago and should have it bout a week from now.Im not gonna disclose any info on his contruction of the cell but will keep you posted on the out put results.I say cell cuz thats wat im prosume'm it is but I like the way it looks from the video's.I chose the Maxi Gen because it only reaches 180 degrees.If it does as well as it looks in the video ill be get'n another one to go full throttle but seems like a good affordable way to get something under the hood and down that part of things....I cant wait.

[freddyflatfoot]

Sounds great Kevin, I just wish I could access his site. For some reason I just get a time-out. all other web pages open ok, so maybe his site is down or changed?

[kevinsatterfield]

http://fuelfromh2o.com/index.html

[jimmy]

[freddyflatfoot]

Thanks for that Jimmy! Contacted my ISP, and they couldn't connect either! Go figure!
When you say their gen's are cheap, what prices? If they come in at the right price, then maybe ordering ten (getting them pre-ordered), might be a good thing! anyway, does he give production figures on his site, and what do the units ship with, as far as ancillaries? Cheers, Rob

[freddyflatfoot]

Hey Jimmy!, Just a thought, but maybe we/you could ask our US friends to get a unit for you?

[jimmy]

[MarkinAustralia]

[kevinsatterfield]

MArk....ive seen the video of the super gen with the top open and did not see any kind of bolt ..you cant even see good enough to the space'n bettween the anode and cathode let alone wats in the bottom of the cell.
The man told me jail doc is save'n 35 buks on every tank of fuel.The effecientcies of each generator is porportionaltel diffrent is why there are several sizes to choose from.And good luk at even find'n a piece of 316 4 1/2" pipe for 50 buks.Thats one reason the man is sell'n his units ..he had plans posted on the net for ppl to build but when they started complanning that it didnt do wat it was soppose to because they culdnt build it rite with the rite materials the plans dissappeared....It also has a money back garrantee .I also do not believe the HOTSABI file is anything simialr to the mag generators..

[Bob Boyce]

I'll reserve judgement until I actually see how it is made, but it sure looks like another version of a steaming behemoth 12 volt single cell from what I can see of it. Just looks to be built better than most. If it is just a single cell, that is a fairly hefty price for it.

Bob

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Kevin ,
Thanks for correcting me and I had a look and you are right about the bolt not being in the middle. The reason I suggested the hotsabi is he uses shimstock which is cheaper than tube. I also stated that I thought the Magdrive was a fairprice for a unit that would save you that money.
However at 180 watts and producing around a litre per minute ( I guessed this looking at the bubble output compared to the Gorilla Cell which I know is around 2 to 3 litres oer minute) it is not an efficent cell but it will serve its purpose.
If you read the hotsabi document he also achieved or claimed to in the order of up to 50% savings.
My quest is a simple one...that is to get efficency down to .5wh per litre of hydroxy. I believe around those levels and engine could be self sustaining. I could be wrong but i will soon be testing that out on a 5.5hp engine. To test out hydroxy required i will be building a few cells powered independently from the engine and measuring the gas it needs to sustain function under about 80% load (I will be using a genset) There is a lot of theory out there regaurding what is required but no hard data.
When Bob had his test cell running the 182 cubic engine it was only consuming 155 watts..and would have been producing a lot of gas.

I take no offence to your comments..I stand corrected and my intent was not to mislead. Howver if you do get hold of or have access to a Magdive cell see if you can test it for power input and gas output. Without disclosing the internal workings I think that information would be usefull to many of the people who are as I am, building and testing cells.

My hope is to be able to replicate what Bob did, and I am also trying several other cell designs and ideas to see what contributes to increased efficency.

At this stage I believe they are

1. temprature
2. pressure (less pressure more gas)
3. electrlyte
4. plate configuration and spacing
5. Pulsing and frequecy control (both frequency and on/off cycles
6. Vibrating or shaking the plates
7 Electrode material
8. using magnets (long shot)
9 elecrolyte flow.

I will be using three cell designs , series, parrallel and tube and testing each one of these factors seperatly and then in combination.

As well as this I will be building a full size BB design and follow what Bob did very accurately.

I am also inviolved with Peter Lowrie who has spend many years and a lot of effort testing his theories. Many people like myself are assisting him in obtaining the materials and other resources he needs too complete his latest test rig. I have signed a Non disclosure agreement with Peter and cannot go into specifics at this time but I am sure he will happily post his results here in the next few weeks.

I have also followed your progress on your projects..and yes I have little understanding what you are doing but admire your spirit and courage.

I am also working with a small group in Australia all who have bult cells and we are sharing our ersults and ideas with each other. If anything noteworthy comes out it will be posted here. Glenn (air cooled) is part of that group and so is Bluey.

I have recently spent a lot of money buying test equipment and gearing up my workshop to conduct these tests. I will be doing this full time and sold my farm to help give me the resources I need and fund others. I do have an income trading the money markets...but I am following my beliefs as I believe hydroxy is the way of the future for the econnomy and enviroment
Kind Regards
Mark

[kevinsatterfield]

Best of Luk to you Mark in yer quest ...I for one am one of those guys that belives its already been done and hidden away from the regular joe's like myslef..and i dont know why as regular joes like me dont have time for all the tinkering with ideas and stuff and wat time we do give is sacrficed from loved ones and regular things..(like sleeping)....i just cant keep try'n to figure out wat someone else already has...my ONLY motive for being here is to meet new ppl and save some money...maybe learn a thing or 2 along the way,and if i can help or inspire someone ....i will sleep better that nite...
I meant no offence to you personaly and apreciate yer kind responce.If the maxi gen doesnt do its job then i hope it will provide a usefull tool in my own quest to inspire and help others.....thats bout all i can do....lol But dont get me wrong ..as being a man i would love to create something of my own idea and profit from it but thats not a likely story...heh heh so its really not a part of my quest.....maxi gen will be shipped out on monday and should have some kind of results by next weekend .

[MarkinAustralia]