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[Bob Boyce]

Mark, I manually tune for maximum hydroxy gas flow. It is very hard to do when you have nothing capable of measuring these kinds of flow rates. You just have to tune for the maximum hiss of escaping gas. I had to upgrade to a bigger bubbler a while back, one capable of the higher flow rates. Those regular home sized water filter housings have 3/4" ports. My new one has 3 times the water capacity and has 1" ports

Bobby R, I have not set the system up yet. My health has been poor so I have not been able to get much done in the way of shop preperation. I have been having cardiac troubles for the past couple of days so this is further complicating matters. I hope your surgery goes well.

Bob

[MarkinAustralia]

Thanks Bob,
you look after yourself and I do hope your health improves.
Many people owe you a lot of thanks.
I will get about building everything before I ask questions and will stick to your original design. Thanks for the advice you have given and the bubbler...this gas scares the hell out of me so the bubbler has a high priority.
I have a 1200 cc 4 cylinder engine mounted in a frame. I will see if i can scare the hell out of the neighbors in a couple of months.
Please look after yourself.
Mark
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[eco]

Bob,
You wrote:
The method of control was on/off power switching, so the power consumed had to be calculated by averaging on time vs off time. Instantanious current was higher, but of limited duration. In other words, I had to take the high power when running and average over time. The more gas consumed, the longer the duration of on time vs off time.

Question?

1.If you don't use on/off power switching,how much energy consume your 60 cell electrolyser for car idling.
2.Can I use small high rpm electro motor(adjustable sped)for switching power ON/OFF.This stuff will work like car distributor?

[zendog]

Hi-

Just as a reference, looking at Faradays numbers it is stated that a 100% efficient cell will produce 0.627 lph at 1 amp of current at the most efficient voltage of 1.48 volts per cell. This works out to be about 2.36 watts/lph

Eco's claims to produce 1lt of gas with 0.48 watts or about a 491% increase over Faraday

That's quite a difference.

[Bob Boyce]

eco, if the unit was left running at full output, it put out way too much hydroxy gas for engine idle. I had to cycle it on and off in order to reduce average production on those early resonance units. I had no way if dialing in production on the fly.

Through the more recent research, I have solved much of the resonance stability issues of those earlier research years. You are already working in the region that allows this to happen. Highly efficient production without the high waste heat, that is the whole key to stability. The higher waste heat production of my early units, while still much lower than other electrolysers, was still too high for good production stability. My newer generator/driver design also allows tuning of output levels electronically. The PWM3E does not automate this function as it is a manually tuned generator/driver, but it does allow these anomolies to be explored manually.

I don't see where spinning a contact point to chop the voltage would really gain anything, because unlike PWM, as the frequency increases, pulse width decreases, so the average on time v off time stays the same.

Even varying voltage a bit does not have the same effect at resonance as it does at brute force electrolysis. If the electron supply drops below a critical level, then gas production will suddenly decrease as hydrogen ions become attracted to the more negative oxygen atoms and reform into H2O molecules prior to being expelled from solution. Sort of like a dog chasing its tail scenario, spinning in circles but not providing usable results

Look at the picture of the toroid transformer on my project pages and then compare that to the output stage of the PWM3E and you may see the corrolation.

Bob

[eco]

What you think,what option is better?
Use some of this alternators,http://www.electrodyne.com/models.html,for example 64V and run 32-33 cells or use some 12V alternator convert to 130V DC and run 65-66 cells

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Bob,
I was wondering what electronics set up you used on the car on blocks test.
I wont be using my unit for a car but a genset. I will be running it at a constant speed in a friendly enviroment (stationary in a temp controlled room) Given that what would you suggest as far as circuts for the electronics.
Mark
PS my email address is mark.dansie at advatel dot net if you would be kind enough to email me so I can get your email address. I undertake not to send you more than one email a week or pass it on to anyone else
Mark Dansie
Australia

[Bob Boyce]

eco, some like to use alternators, and that may be fine for their application. If you rectify the output then use that as the cell potential to the rest of the unit. As far as using it as a waveform source however, there are a couple of issues. One is RPM determines frequency, and it's faster to shift frequency electronically than mechanically. The other is phase, there is no provision for phase control since it is mechanically locked in at 120 degrees per phase.

Mark, the car test was done with a modified inverter. I had moderate success with that method, and although it did work, that technology is old hat. A problem stems from the lack of available inverters that have the correct kind of output waveform shaping. Modern inverters do not have the same type of waveform as that which I used back then. Lack of control response is another. It took a while for resonance to establish, and there was no control over phase. What you had was what you had, be it 2X or 5X over DC production levels. There was no dialing in production levels with that design.

Mark, I sent you an email and it was bounced back as;

reason: 550 unknown user <mark.dansie (at) advatel (dot) net>)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to advatel.net.:
>>> RCPT To:<mark.dansie (at) advatel (dot) net>
<<< 550 unknown user <mark.dansie (at) advatel (dot) net>
550 5.1.1 <mark.dansie (at) advatel (dot) net>... User unknown

I munged the email address in this message and your prior message to stop spambots.

Bob

[MarkinAustralia]

sorry Bob
my email is .biz
Its Sunday here and my head was foggy.
I applogise for the mistake
Mark

[Bob Boyce]

Ok, sent again.

Bob

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[eco]

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