Joe Cell?

[AntDavison]

i know someone who was a passenger in the ford escort shown in joe's videos ... he says that little car revved all the way to 10,000 rpm (would have thought the crank would have exploded at speed)

anyway he said a couple of things were not correct with the documentation you can get from www.nutech.com.au

1) joe didnt plug the outlet of his cell

2) the water was 'conditioned' for 3 days using a 75v power supply (guess he meant 72v) ... when he drunk some it made his hair stand on end

while you're shopping at nutech, check out their stuff on the hendershot generator, its very cool, sucking 1kW from the earths magnetic field ... could that be a usable power source to drive our under unity electrolysers

[AntDavison]

sorry nutechs web site is www.nutech2000.com

[waterbard]

[thrival]

waterbard:

I'm sure you're correct on all the points you made, but
I'm not sure where you're going with it.

Have you read Schauberger? He was charging water simply
by pulsing the flow through vortical pipes, and the assemblies
levitated! Joe Cell inventor (Joe) said a guy got his truck to
do that, and that such affects were sometimes associated
with the cell, which means it's just an issue of how much
charge enters the cooling system. Personally I don't find
levitating trucks too practical at 60 mph in a crosswind. My
goals are more modest-- running without petrol.

Schauberger's experiments are easy to do for a person with a
budget.

[decisive]

People wonder why the Joe cell has to be conditioned with a particular type of water. You say water is water is water is H2O, right?

Wrong, in fact water, which is everywhere in our lives, is perhaps one of the greatest mysteries of any substance on Earth. I can exist in many different states and there is an active field of research in this area in mainstream chemistry and physics and it is far from being understood.

check out this abstract below and then google search ("magic number" and water) and see what you find... more later...




J Chem Phys. 2005 Jan 22;122(4):44309. Related Articles, Links


Origin of the magic numbers of water clusters with an excess electron.

Lee HM, Suh SB, Tarakeshwar P, Kim KS.

National Creative Research Initiative Center for Superfunctional Materials, Department of Chemistry and Department of Physics, Division of Molecular and Life Sciences, Pohang University of Science and Technology, Pohang 790-784, Korea.

Electron-bound water clusters [e(-)(H(2)O)(n)] show very strong peaks in mass spectra for n=2, 6, 7, and (11), which are called magic numbers. The origin of the magic numbers has been an enigma for the last two decades. Although the magic numbers have often been conjectured to arise from the intrinsic properties of electron-bound water clusters, we attributed them not to their intrinsic properties but to the particularly weak stability of the corresponding neutral water clusters (H(2)O)(n=2,6,7, and (11)). As the cluster size increases; this nonsmooth characteristic feature in stability of neutral water clusters is contrasted to the smooth increase in stability of e(-)-water clusters. As the magic number clusters have significant positive adiabatic electron affinities, their abundant distributions in atmosphere could play a significant role in atmospheric thermodynamics. (c) 2005 American Institute of Physics.

[decisive]

Also...i have heard many talk about the joe cell generating some sort of magnetic field, which then acts on the earth's gravitational field. Sounds bizarre right?

But, then I remembered this article from New Scientist a few months back (see link below)

excerpt:

EVERY year, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics awards prizes for the best papers presented at its annual conference. Last year's winner in the nuclear and future flight category went to a paper calling for experimental tests of an astonishing new type of engine. According to the paper, this hyperdrive motor would propel a craft through another dimension at enormous speeds. It could leave Earth at lunchtime and get to the moon in time for dinner. There's just one catch: the idea relies on an obscure and largely unrecognised kind of physics. Can they possibly be serious?

The AIAA is certainly not embarrassed. What's more, the US military has begun to cast its eyes over the hyperdrive concept, and a space propulsion researcher at the US Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories has said he would be interested in putting the idea to the test. And despite the bafflement of most physicists at the theory that supposedly underpins it, Pavlos Mikellides, an aerospace engineer at the Arizona State University in Tempe who reviewed the winning paper, stands by the committee's choice.
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yeah, thats right the military is interested while all the mainstream scientists are shocked because the idea flys in the face of the accepted theories, which currently construct our reality of how things are SUPPOSED to be...what Charles Tart calls the "concenscious trance."

the military knows its possible because they know about Tesla's ...

http://www.newscientistspace.com/articl ... space.html

[decisive]

[waterbard]

[mrgalleria]

Aloha,

Waterbard, you said the joe cell "steel and water contraption is a classic example where people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. People concentrate WAY to much on finding that one secret, or that one piece of the puzzle, when in reality, it's how you put it together."

Can you show us some working examples of what you are talking about- maybe something you have built yourself?

I thought so.
Bill

[waterbard]

[thrival]

Waterbard & MrGalleria:

Actually I agree with both of you even tho you don't seem to agree
with each other for the moment.

Nature IS a free lunch, all the flora and fauna built and energized by
multitudinous radiant frequencies. The challenge of getting that free
lunch (on this dimensional plane) has always been how to catch
(or corall) it.

We live in a wonderful time, what with the internet, patents of those
who've gone before, webpages like rexresearch, jean naudin, etc.
It's really possible to learn quite a bit without (or should I say, before)
building a device. In fact the more a person studies and fathoms true
principles, the fewer mistakes, waste of time, energy and materials.

Some people are very good building things, but weak on theory. Their
devices will look great but not produce OU. No amount of manual skill
alone will produce an OU device, but by sheer pluck. Then there are those
of us, better with theory, but not necessarilly the skills or resources
to do it up impressively. So some things just have to wait.

Thinking is a skill, as is searching out information, and the discipline of it
is good exercise, very gratifying and worth the effort, much better than
having everything laid in one's lap. Not everyone deserves to have what
they want just when they want it. That's instant gratification, and
leads to people being spoiled and ungrateful. Further, the evidence can
be found from numerous sources, so to get personal and pugsley with
individuals is actually giving away your own personal power to accomplish
by simply going around them.

No one can really prove anything to anyone. That's been demonstrated by
inventors with working devices and less education than their observers,
who simply refuse to believe what they're being shown. Everyone needs
to get the proof that satisfies them, without resorting to, or being
victimized by, abuse. That's not the proper use of energy, IMHO.
A person must first believe something is possible before they can
discover it, and discover they should. Belief alone isn't good
enough and needs to be satisfied. The acquisition of knowledge
(discovery) is the dues a person pays. It's not even possible to
convey some things to persons who haven't similar aptitudes or covered
the same topography. There are some who feel life is just a set
of technical challenges without any moral conclusions, or effort to be
expended (a false premise) so in that sense, it's not "free."

Now as for the Joe Cell, I've seen the videos and that's proof enough
for me. At the same time I'm not satisfied with the myth, and after
careful study, think I know why it works, already stated. Oh you
can be sure I'll build one, or a hybrid, as circumstances (high gas
prices) drive me to it. I'll do it for ME, not someone who insists I
provide yet another demonstration already provided by others.

[AlaskaStar]

Thrival:

Very well put. too bad something like this isn't at the forefront of every disputed technology or topic in the limelight.

I have experienced the "grandeur effects" of those with stacks of degrees saying that something is not supposed to be possible, and yet they witness it, and even participate in it, and yet cannot believe for it has all been explained and proven out, and they understand it, but are stuck in the old teachings of some family tree member or influential person in their life, that said it was not possible, and they belived it, and have not changed. And it is my personal opinion that a Masters Degree in Blindfolded Underwater Basket Weaving While Inverted, does not amount to having any more knowledge in one respect than another. while there are those who are good thinkers and not so good at buidling, there are others whom are good at building and not so good at thinking things through. this must be taken into account. as the speaker for SBIR/STTR/TREND Alaska said

"They have proven that a public speaker must choose the verbage, and intellect level to match those of an average 6th Grade language skill to speak to large crowds and even smaller crowds of adults."

IF that is for adults....then waht about kids? and if they must use words fit for kids to talk to adults without problems, are we really doomed?

and that is Professional advice, from the University of Alaska.

this does not preclude that everyone is stupid. nor does it say that everyone in the crowd will easily understand the topic at hand.

so it all boils down to educating yourself. This is not here to bash, but to bring to light that even the most controversial of technologies can be worked with and properly researched without much bickering.

I do believe that the "joe cell" needs more proper research, and more sophisticated laboratory equipment than even I can afford for a few more years.

Maybe it works, Maybe it doesn't. It sure has inspired one thing through it all: HOPE. hope that htere is another way. and while that has transpired, it has opened the doorway to regular Joe's to research it, and try it out. and maybe even look other directions if it fails. maybe that was the whole point of the Joe Cell. Maybe it wasn't. either case may be true. I am not to argue it. Proper research will prove it out, and of course there will be opposition, but that is to be expected. when is there not opposition to things that may cause change. people do not like change, and it makes people uncomfortable. so why change? these are things for you to look at when researching this out. and even I must remind myself to do this at times. like now.

AlaskaStar