Hydrogen Combustion

[Jay]

[nakros]

[Jay]

[GarbageMan]

I too am perplexed on the 'implosion' thing. From what I've read...my take is that when H's and O's are mixed and exposed to spark/flame in the exact ratio of water (2:1), they rapidly return to their original volume (implosion). See, as gasses, the volume they occupy is something like 1600 times larger (forget actual no., please feel free to correct) so when they slam back together to form water again, it creates this vacuum. This is the operation of Yull Brown's Gas, like in "water-welders". Steam expands to something like 54X's original, but it is still really water. Just fluffed up with lots-o-heat energy. I think it's the same principal, only instead of heat energy, you use electrical energy to fluff it up but to a much further degree-- STILL JUST WATER, but HIGHLY CHARGED.

I think why we don't see this, is our gas mixes aren't that clean, or at the perfect ratio. Might have some OH's, some H-H's, etc.. in there and instead of a perfect reconstitution to water, we get violent exothermic bangs. But hey, that's what I'm looking for!

[adam666]

in my last set of tests

I filled a 1.5L coke bottle 1/2 full of hydroxy, allowing the remaining 750ml of water to run out, leaving a a mix of approx 1/3 hydrogen + 2/3 oxygen.

iginited by lighting the end of a 4mm hose which ran to the bottle and also contained hydroxy.

the explosion is very violent! there is an immense amount of heat produced during the combustion.

but the most noticable noise is the suction immediately after the combustion, which leaves you witha coke bottle, stil very warm, and crumpled to approx 1/2 its orginial size

I have a video clip of it but havent gotten round to posting it aywhere as yet

cheers
Adam

[Dan Dan]

Huh....intrusting. I did something simular last summer. I used an EXTREMELY inefficient method of brute force electrolysis, to produce about 8oz of hydrogen. It never got mixed with air or anything, until ignition. But i jiggyriged a wiq to the bottle and blew it up in my back yard. No noticable explosion or anything, but when i went to the bottle i knowticed that it was krincled inward, kinda smooshed. I compared this to the results of my previous work of pyromaniacism (LOL) which involved 2 model rocket engines, the same type of 8oz bottle and fire (of course). that bottle was melted to smitherines, and created a much bigger explosion (HEHEHE). I figured that the reason why the hydrogen bottle was "smooshed" was because of some sort of implosion (i didnt know that much about hydrogen at that time) which was later confirmed when i read a little more about hydrogen.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE MY PYROMANIAC_FOR_IDIOTS EXPERIMENTS!!!

[AbbaRue]

I did research on this very subject,
If you have a mixture of monatomic hydrogen and oxygen when
ignited they implode to form an instant high vacuum. (NO EXPLOSION)
But what happens is hydrogen atoms combine to form hydrogen molecules.
And when hydrogen molecules, with oxygen are ignited they explode.
So if you could put a static charge on the hydrogen and oxygen produced to keep them from
combining to form molecules (like charges repel), it would implode.
Also read that monatomic hydrogen and oxygen produce much more energy
when ignited.
This site explains it quite well:
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/myth/implos.html

The reason for the explosion is H2 and O2 must be converted into H and O first then they combine to form water.
When H2 and O2 are converted energy is produced as an explosion, then
they implode to form water.

Till later Harold.

[Jay]

Thank you for the link AbbaRue... very interesting. I note the author states"Watching video's of so-called implosions I have discovered not one,yet, that actually was a pure implosion."

I can find quite a few links to combustion properties of hydrogen, which contain all the usual suspect info, but no scientific data on vacuum or implosion.
still gathering links....will post back some links later.

[Jay]

Well, I didnt find a whole lot of NEW information...looks like the gov keeps most of their data deep deep inside of "Information Bridge" type websites (Dept of Energy and such)...but, if you dig enough and send enough emails, you CAN get results.

I am assembling the information I have gotten into a structured all-in-one paper(s).
Then I'll post the data hopefully in this order:

Hydrogen Info (as a gas)


Methods of Extraction: (Relevant to us)
- Electrolysis
- Steam
- UV

Useage of Hydrogen as a fuel:
- Combustion
- Fuel Cell
- Catalyst methods

Hopefully the raw data I assemble will prove helpful... I'll post it along with some of my experiment pics in my project folder. There were some very interesting facts that I hope to share, that I hope will be useful

--BTW, I havent found anything to date on "Implosion" qualities (other than the fact that ALL gases implode to some degree)... and that is what I originally wanted, go figure

Jay

[Jerryx]

Newbee... Not a chemist.
I am unemployed living in the UK.
I am playing with magnetism, but with the Gas
companys set to put prices up dramaticly, I
need to find alternative heating.
Would a natural gas bunsen burner be a practical
test instrament.
Would it need alterations to burn Hydrogen/Oxygen
Would I simply blow my head off...