Magnetic Hydrogen Electrolyzer

[kevinsatterfield]

The referances to Kanzius is aggravating in this thread....Kanzius and this coil are nothing alike.... aside from not being standard electrolysis they share nothing in common, its aggravating to see referances to his work in this thread....actually its embarassing.
The patent I referanced is not a Meyers patent and has nothing at all to do with anything Meyers had published.
Read the patent please.It very well could lead to your success when building your coil .

[kevinsatterfield]

I've also had the prefered waveform posted in my project pages.

[AlaskaStar]

Kevin,

In reference to Kanzius:

The internal contents of the cell depicted in my project folder: NOTHING.

There is nothing inside the tube, until I add NaOH and Water.

It is HOLLOW. There are NO PLATES inside the tube. There are NO WIRES inside the tube.

The same effect is observed by Kanzius.

Kanzius' setup had no plates, nor wires inside the solution.

It's incredible the amount of science that has been put to industrial use, but has almost no credible scientific observation, or evaluation of the events that take place in a process like this.

FarrahDay:

Would a process as "LIVE KIRLIAN PHOTOGRAPHY/ VIDEO" show the field effects better? If it did, then it may provide some clues to what is happening in this process, as well as standard electrolysis.

I am wondering if there is a cheap way to convert the "invisible" to "visible" by means of anything that will show a live display/ video feed what is necessary to allow us humans to properly observe the phenomenon at hand?

All suggestions into this are greatly welcome at this point.

Also FarrahDay: In light of re-reading some of your posts, mine and other's as well, I conclude that Everyone is RIGHT and Everyone is WRONG at the same time, because the scientific community is seriously behind on this one, as we (as a group of members) are forging ahead into uncharted territory, and therefore are now held only to our observations.

This is the arena of science where the most sophisticated scientific laboratory toys will not suffice, and a new breed of test equipment is born. This test equipment is born out like any other invention: Necessity. The equipment may be ultra simple to implement, but complex in operation, and truly genius in nature yet elegantly simple to construct.

So, since everyone is right and wrong on the "facts" here, the members here at this forum may make headlines as a group for going forth where the scientific community stopped.

Any suggestions on the methods used (simple, effective and easy....) to prove/ disprove the phenomena to lay a foundation?

I used a Fluke 115 True RMS meter to measure the amps, volts, and frequency.

The first setup was 17.1 Mhz, 5 volts, 1 amp. The setup was horrible, yet effective.

The second unit using the 555 was effective, and quickly learned that the field strength is more important than the frequency.

The 3rd setup is using a brute force AC wave from a PMA running parallel coils.

The 4th setup is using a magnetic collision system to try an generate a magnetic impact to increase the effect, using smaller voltages and amperages, to generate a controlled effect of a "rogue wave" as noted in the ocean.

The 5th setup involves a field to degauss, so as to provide a magnetic absence of energy to try to increase the differential potential to try and squeeze out more efficiency.

There's too many ways to do this. I am only at the 1st inch of the tip of the iceberg here.

Maybe some of you have better ideas and more efficient methods of doing this?

AlaskaStar

[kevinsatterfield]

Star,

Im not gonna debate this crap..... but I will say one more time that try'n to link this coil aperatus to Kanzius is embarrassing .......I wish that it wuld stop.

The " magnetic energy " you are trying to measure.....try looking into electrostatic devices and how to measure statvolts.

[FarrahDay]

[FarrahDay]

[kevinsatterfield]

[sparkgap]

I have to agree with Kevin on the relevance of his suggested patent. I haven't read it all the way thru yet, but here's the abstract:

United States Patent 4,599,158
July 8, 1986

Circular coil electrolysis apparatus

Abstract
This disclosure relates to a simple electrolysis apparatus utilizing no physical electrical connecting means to an array of electrodes. The apparatus comprises an array of electrode plates aligned radially from the axis of symmetry, a container housing the electrode plates or cells, a coil of wire around the periphery of the container and means to provide an appropriate variation in the coil current conducive to the occurrence of the electrolysis process between the electrode plates.

[AlaskaStar]

HA! I was 5 years old when that patent was granted!

Ok, I see where you are coming from. My setup has NO PLATES in the tube.

The similarity is now where?

Kanzius had NO PLATES inside his tube either.

Both use a changing electromagnetic wave of significant strength.

In fact... All 3 do.

Doing a plate inside the tube is actually quite clever, as the plate now runs "field tension regulation" and after it overcomes the initial ohms in the water, the voltage stays at the required amount to overcome the resistance, and the remainder is converted to amperage. This give way to a possible cell that as temperature changes, the voltage and amperage change automatically, likewise, the cell may be running at say 1.3 volts at 95 amperes, not an easy task with the digital electronics age.

Forgive the spelling errors, I was hanging drywall all last night, and caught my finger good with a keyhole saw that was really sharp (DUH!).

AlaskaStar

[FarrahDay]

Now I know Kevin seems to think me ignorant... no stupid... or is it ignorant? I'm not sure as his grammar seems to be lacking a certain coherence. Anyway, he's not trying to be insulting but doing a good job of it nonetheless. Old Kev, he's got a way with words!

The patent he refers to is indeed similar to what we are looking at on this thread, and I have never said otherwise.

However, Kevin seems to have a knack for misinterpreting everything I say.

My comment on it being on the same lines as the Meyer patents was with reference to it still sitting in a patent office with no practical application in everyday use. This must tell us something. Why did the guy who applied for the patent never follow it through? The problem is you can patent something without proof of function. It seems like many people are simply patenting ideas, nothing more.

I've actually been studying it for a few hours today and as everyone can see it is basically Alaska's coil with ss plates radiating out from the centre. Now the thing to ask yourself is: what purpose could the plates serve as there is no explanation I could find for them in the patent? How might they enhance gas production over Alaska's cell - assuming that is, they actually would.

We know that both Alaska and Kanzius are not employing electrolysis as there is no obvious place for electrons to be dropped and collected. So do these ss plates in this patent actually do anything at all?

I've been trying to determine the direction of induced ion current flow through Alaskas cell, which of course would be the same as this patent. I'm not 100%, but I think it would follow the radial pattern of the ss plates in this patent, ie, to and from the centre. Now, bearing in mind that cations and anions will be flowing in different directions, either towards the centre of the cell or towards the coil (depending on the polarity of the coil voltage), it would follow that we might see a difference in potential between the inner and outer areas of the cell, as these charged species build up.

If we were using pulsed dc (it would not work for ac), then this difference in potential would also be experienced by the ss plates, with one end always being slightly more negative or positive than the other.

It could be then, that the plates actually act as a charge transfer point, effectively doing the same job as they would in a standard electrolyser, ionisation of water taking place in the same way as a standard electrolyser, with charges being dropped off and collected at opposite areas of the plates.

Which begs the question would this patent be an electrolyser or an magnetelectrolyser? Or would it exhibit aspects of both a standard standard electrolyser and Alaskas cell?

Still more questions than answers!

[Jehu]

Ok, I've just finished upgrading my coil. Here is what I can tell you about it.

It weighs about 425grams. This is the tube, glue, 1 endcap, some black spray paint, a few meters of Nitto electrical tape, the coil and some solder (some is 60/40 tin lead and some is 95.5% tin, 0.5% copper, 4% silver).

the total inductor length is around 215mm.

the tube outside diameter is 56mm.

Some of the wire in the coil might be bigger than the other stuff. I think some is 25 and some is 30BS. I'm not sure coz I got them from 2 different retailers.

I'll try to get some pics up in my project folder soon.

[kevinsatterfield]

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[Jehu]

[SeaMonkey]