Magnetic Hydrogen Electrolyzer

[Jehu]

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In regards to the joints, the solder I'm using is Lead free 4% silver solder. This melts at a higher temp than 60/40 lead tin solder anyway.

Thanks for the tip with the diodes. My knowledge of diodes aint that crash hot.

[FarrahDay]

Thanks Jehu, got it!

[morehp]

AlaskaStar you said

" If the NaOH is an unstable ionic bond, and water is the most stable and hard to break bond, then does this process no imply that it would be easier to break down the bonds in the NaOH than the H2O?

In separation of the Na from the OH, we have hydrogen and oxygen liberation from solution. Na added to water, while completely submerged, releases Hydrogen, while bonding to the Oxygen and the other hydrogen atom forming NaOH.

If the Magnetic Field causes the Na to separate from the OH, and the moment after the collapse, the Na and the H20 react to from NaOH and H, would this then be a better explanation for how it works? "

This makes a logical conclusion. the question is...
break down of the NaOH = Na + OH or is it Na + O + H This is where I can see you think O and H gas are generated

however add H20 into the mix.. Na + OH + H20 or Na + O + H + H20 and we have the Na reacting with the H20 which would give

NaOH + H but don't forget we already had either OH or O + H left in the solution so one would think that the remaining H from the creation of the NaOH would join with the OH or the O + H (which ever it is) to create H2O again with no gas released (since H2O has strong bonds... ie there is a strong electron "attraction" to hold the H2O molecule together) and the H not be liberated as H and OH or H + O + H all in gas form. the magnetic field must be playing with the atoms that are left to prevent the H from just reforming into H2O. Scientific lab analysis of the produced gas would certainly give good insight into what might be the process, is it just H or H + O.... I wonder if Isotopes would be at play here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen


consider
2NaOH + magnetic field = Na + Na + OH + OH ... the Na then reacts with the H20 so it would take 2H2O (the attraction/reaction to the H2O must be stronger than the attraction to the OH or the Na would just react with the OH to form NaOH again without ever affecting the H2O) or are electrons being shared or stripped because we know the large collapsing magnetic field can cause electrons to flow.

Na + Na + OH + OH + 2 H2O = NaOH + NaOH + H + H + OH + OH
= 2NaOH + H2 + 2OH = 2NaOH + H2 + H2O + O (the 2OH changed to H2O + O) plus energy in the form of heat when the Na reacted with the H2O

this would imply 4NaOH + magnetic field + 4 H20 = 4NaOH + 2H2 + 2H20 + O2 + heat/energy

thus we get 2H2 and O2 produced assuming the molecules would reform this way : ) and not just reform water : (

OK Farrahday do your magic


as far as a NEO magnet in the assembly... I can see things FLYING apart as the STRONG NEO magnet is STRONGLY attracted to the north and south poles of the magnetic field created by the copper coil.

[morehp]

Jehu
Your thoughts on forming the coil into a Toroid? I don't know if that will do much as usually its the toroid's ferrite core that makes the magic of a toroid coil happen.

If you could add Ferrite into the toroid shape mix then something is sure to happen differently than just a copper coil shaped into a donut. guess there is only one way to find out : )

hmmm take a ferrite toroid with the copper winding around the toroid and place the NaOH solution container in the center of the toroid???

or

take a ferrite toroid wrap a PVC tube (tube holds the HaOH solution as you suggested) around the outside face of the toroid and then wind the copper wire around the toroid and the PVC tube at the same time??? a different spin on this is place the PVC tube around the toroid inside face and then wind the copper .... thinking the magnetic field inside the toroid is different (most likely more focused/concentrated) than the field outside the toroid.

[kevinsatterfield]

does everybody still think you get a sodium atom when NaOH is added to H2O?

[SeaMonkey]

[Jehu]

[FarrahDay]

[Jehu]

[Hybrid]

[FarrahDay]

[FarrahDay]

Hybrid

Remember that it is the change in magnetic field that is important in inducing current. A neo, no matter how strong, only exhibits a constant magnetic field. So for a neo to induce any ion current flow in our electrolyte solution whatsoever, the neo would itself need to be moving.

Consider for a moment this.

You've seen the giant electromagnets attached to a crane that they use at vehicle scrapyards. Basically a large coil wrapped around a soft iron core. Turn on the power and it magnetises, turn off the power and it de-magnetises immediately and completely. For maximum efficiency this is what we need to do - there is a greater change in magnetic field strength when it always goes from zero to said amount of Teslas. Anything already with inherent magnetic properties or residual magnetism will potentially reduce the difference. Like going from 4 to 10, instead of 0 to 10. The final magnetic field strength value is not as important as the value of change. And, the value of change can be a factor of time, or strength, or both.

I'm not saying that there will be no way to exploit the properties of fixed magnets - there may be a way whereby only a little electrical energy input creates a large change in neos magnetic field given the right configuration - I'm sure there are some modern electric motor designs achieving just this. Yes, there may well be configurations of cell design in which the properties of neos can be used for better efficiency, but I think at this stage, attempting to use neos will only complicate matters. If not careful, it would be very easy to produce magnetic fields that cancelled each other out thereby being very counter-productive and giving unpredictable and misleading results.

I think it's one of those things that must be worked up to by experimenting from the simpler set-ups and as our understanding develops. That said, trial and error might just turn up some very interesting observations.

[kevinsatterfield]

[kevinsatterfield]

[FarrahDay]