Beshires1 "Flat Plate" Sealed Series Cell

[Beshires1]

As most of you know I prefer the Stacked Series Cells, But to be fair to all if I built a Flat Plate Sealed Series Cell, I'd build it like this test design. I needed something to compare my Stacked cell designs to. http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other ... e%20Design

[glenn_aircooled]

Bershires That is Really Good.
Could you explain the Hydroxy outlet.? I cant see it in your pics.
Are you going to do Side by side tests with your stacked cells?
It would be interesting to see the efficiency difference.
I imagine that with the ease of use of your Stacked unit - you would
still want to use it for automobile use as Booster.
- By comparing the efficiencies you will be able to have a bench mark.
Glenn.

[Beshires1]

Glenn, yes I am building this Flat Plate design to use in side-by-side comparisons with the stacked design. And yes I will keep the stacked design as a booster.
On the flat plate design the reservoirs will be mounted with the electrolyte level inside the reservoir, above tubing inlet from the cell. With my setup now, the hydroxy will escape thru the tubing and into the reservoir. Both refill, and hydroxy functions thru the same tubing. The reservoirs will have room at the top to allow for electrolyte expansion and a small gas chamber. Hydroxy will escape the reservoir thru a tube mounted just below the refill cap. A great alternative would to build the reservoirs out of clear tubing, and add another tubing from the reservoirs bottom running the tubing back to the opposite bottom corner of its cell. This would allow the reservoirs to function as a electrolyte sight level, and the hydroxy's escape will draw electrolyte into the cell thru the added bottom tube.
Think of the reservoirs as a expanded 1/8 gap at the top of the cell, each one totally isolated from the other.Instead of refilling thru the small 1/8 gap, you fill the reservoir.Expanding electrolyte is contained in the reservoir and the hydroxy escapes the reservoir and can be either headerd to all other cell outputs then sent to your bubbler or run outputs singly to the bubbler.

[Beshires1]

[golden_guppy]

Hi Beshires1

It looks like I'm doing something very simmilar to you. I'm currently working on a sealed cell setup myself, though only 5 cells at present while testing the theory. right now everything is glued and epoxied together,so not a pretty sight.

I like you idea of fitting the tubes at the corners. Didn't think of that, i have tubes fitted centrally at the top and bottom of each cell. I'm guessing the pinching isnt as bad in your design. I have 5 sections of pipe being used as reservoirs for the cells, but i'm looking at using these only as a 'buffer' with another larger central water tank feeding them, and keeping them topped up.

The idea was to use reservoirs just a little taller than the cells themselves. Both tubes from each cell are connected to the reservoir, the tube from the bottom of the cell going to the bottom of the reservoir, likewise with the top. I have another tube going from the top of the reservoir to a central bubbler, and finally another tube is fitted to the bottom of the reservoir to be connected to a central 'top op' tank. Right now these are just clamped off and go nowhere.

One of the things i'm working on now is a mechanism fitted to the top of each reservoir that will initiate a 'top up' automatically from a centrally located water tank.

I have found a few companies here in the uk that supply small solenoid water valves where the actual valve fitting itself is fully sealed, and each side is electrically isolated from the other. The idea is to have one central water pump send water through an automatic filling system to each cell's mini reservoir via one of these valves. I had initially though of filling directly to each cell, but gave up devising a way to stop over filling and pressuring the cells.

In theory, an automatic filling system shouldn't be too complicated, though eliminating current leakage is. What i'm aiming at is having a simple water pump fitted to a central water tank. This is in turn connected to the bottom of each reservoir. What i want to do is run this in short bursts. each supply valve would need to be connected to a switch of some descripton fitted in the top of each reservoir, that in turn will cut power to the solenoid when activated. This should be a pretty straight forward circuit. Downside is i need one for each cell. Anyway, this way, leakage current will only rear its ugly head during the brief time the cells are being filled. Once the solenoid valves are closed, all cells are fully electrically isolated again.

I want the automatic filling system to be scalable, so i can use it to supply more than one bank of cells. Was aiming at allowing capacity for 4 banks of 7 cells.

Anyway, thats where i'm at now. Assuming i can get it all to work. And blag my way into a few of these solenoid valves.

[Beshires1]

This morning I filled up the flat plate series cell with electrolyte. Wasn't supprized... No Leakes. I filled the unit up with distilled water to check this before adding any electrolyte. Any way I have the unit now conditioning on 15V @ 1/2 amps, strait DC. It is supprizing how much gas is created at such little input. I will check output after conditioning and post some results. I might post a video so people can see how the recirculation and seperate reservoirs are working. I,ve posted some pictures in my projects under "Flate Plate Sealed Series cell". This unit is fully flooded and sealed.

[Beshires1]

Almost forgot. A person could use thick plastic for the compression plates (outside plates) and drill the seperate reservoirs into them. This would take a little thought about placement, but would result in a sharp lookin unit.

[kevinsatterfield]

Do'n good there Beshires,nice idea.... Loooks kewl

[Beshires1]

[Beshires1]

Here are a few comparisons made side by side testing of a series cell bell shaped and the sealed flat plate series cell I used my variac to power these cells, switching the leades back and forth while decreasing power. The spacing in the cells are the same, using the same strength electrolyte. Bell cell 19.3 V @ .936 amp switched leades to sealed plate cell voltage reading was 20.7 @ 1.96 amps. Decreased power, Bell cell 16.49 V @ .372 amp sealed cell 17.39 V @ .048 amps. Decreased power Bell cell 14.67 V @ .188 amps. Sealed cell .....would not start electrolysis. Both cells units have 7 production cells. Just thought folks might like to know.

[Beshires1]

Bob, I noticed something very strange while working with the Sealed flat plate Cell. I use a snuffer bottle to snuff out some of the white foam that bubbled up to the top of a few of the cells refill reservoirs. If I get a decent seal with the bottle in the top of the reservoir while snuffing out foam, I must create a vacuum within that cell because.... The flow in all cells will stop, some may run in reverse. Sorta like shaking a glass of water. then continue to run as normal. This seems strange to me because all cell are isolated from each other. Could this be caused by the closeness of the cells operating under very little pressure, responding to the absolute loss of pressure of one of the cells while under a slight vacuume?

[Beshires1]

I can't imagine the vaccume being to strong . I used a empty plastic Dristan bottle,squeezing the sides in then placing it down into the reservoir to snuff out the foam. But mabe the other plates are flexing in response to the one vaccumed cell.

[Beshires1]

Here is a look at the phenomenon. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2630367370

[Beshires1]

Bob I remember you speaking something of the magnetic fields within the cells. Could this possibly, somehow be throwing this magnetic field, temporarily out of kilter? I keep looking at the video trying to figure what the hell in happening. There is got to be another force inside the cell stack causing this. Its sorta like having seven glasses of water sitting on a table, And you drop a rock into one and they all start sloshing around, it isn't suppose to happen! I hope others are as intrigued at this as I.

[chemelec]