Aussiepom Injector Thread

[aussepom]

Hi
I have not posed for awhile. I must be getting close to something or touched a nerve.
I was speaking at a meeting in Clayton about 5 weeks ago, towards the end I explained about the OZ Injector and its implication if the tests are successful.
I am getting final costing and there have been some changes but nothing big, only
Some new information on what to expect when testing MAKE SURE YOU USE BLOODY BIG BOLTS TO BOLT IT DOWN.
Last Friday when my wife and neighbour were just about to go out for their morning walk. A white van pulled up then reversed then pulled forward again.
They may have spotted my wife and neighbour, a man got out with a day-glow striped top on, made to check our water meter with the special stick. Then drove off did not check anyone else's.
When I was told we thought that we had been 'dobbed in by the water police'.
On checking NO REPORTS WE REPORTED, NO WATER BOARD VANS HAD BEEN SENT THERE. The local council did not have any one or know any thing about it. There was no sliding door, no identification.
So may be we do have the dreaded MIB here, but not in black vans.
when repoorting it to the local CIB said, well they use any thing these days.
SPOOOOOKY.
aussepom

[H2-Paul]

I am sure to have missed it, but can you please refresh my memory about the OZ Injector ????

[aussepom]

H2-Paul you are lazy but any way don't ask again

The OZ Injector is using the heat centre of a plasma stream, similar to as in a plasma cutter or welder or for building up a shaft.
The core temperature reaches 50,000 Kelvin, by forcing a rotating water stream into this, there will be instant disassociation or very close to it depending on the control format.
Its first test is hopefully to go ahead shortly, it is expensive for a pensioner to do, and that is to save the required amount of money.
The projection is for the small unit using 1.8lts of water a min, at 100% would give an output of gas of 3,714ltrs a min. 80% is the target.
The slightly larger boded one the calculated output is 74,340lts a min of gas, at a water flow rate of 36lts a min.
A very large rapid amount of gas expansion, hence the warning from a friend to USE BLOODY BIG BOLTS TO HOLD IT DOWN.
The initial target is to use it on a gas turbine.
Now the development is based on Irving Langmuir and atomic Hydrogen.
Now since you seem to be picking every ones brains with out doing any searching or attempting to build something I suggest as well as other have to you go away do some research of your own and a little googling.
aussepom

[H2-Paul]

Thanks for your answer, I am sure that all the information you listed is available on the internet Google search ( NOT ).......

I am also sure that smart driven Australia people like you in do all the research and work to make their own cars, build their own houses , perform all medical procedures, etc...... because you are not LAZY......

OR let me guess, you find professional in their field to do the work for you HMMMMMMM

A very insightful comment on your part....

So, being who I am, I am looking for all different ideas in this field of Hydrogen and working out which one make any sense to pursue....... That doesn't mean I will build everyone (or any at this point) I read about since most aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Now back to the subject at hand... Your plasma injector idea seems interesting and I would like to know if there is any additional information available on it, since you say that a simple Google search will do... My search yielded ~ 130,000 results I don't plan on reading them....

Thanks again for your research and contributions.....

Paul

[H2-Paul]

Plasma OZ Injector,

Since the common theme here is knowledge and in many cases the shortage of time and money, I wold like to help advance promising ideas that do produce more power than they consume.....

I am not talking about over unity but a recipe for disassociating H2 & O from water be it chemically, electrical, magnetism, etc...... Also the idea needs to be practical for the common man to use where the process is clean like using electricity or automated (for the recycling of waste product) where using chemicals.....

Again, best wishes,,
Paul

[aussepom]

H2 Paul
When I was new the forums I first looked at the watercar site Daniel Dingel
It did not take long for me to find out that this site was full of false and misleading information and people. Unfortunately I have put information on that site before realising this.
I have not posted any more information on that site since and rarely go there.
Why post any thing then my reason was to stop any one from patenting the unit or process.
There is a site I use now that was formed from around the area that I live, and that there can be contact at regular meetings if you wish. The 'energy forum' http://energyforum.com.au
You will find information there but it is out of date as I have not updated it for awhile.
I do have my own site but this is by invitation only. On this site I will be putting the full details and operation. And test results when this is done, there will be information on the applications.
There will be wastewater information on my other process, this was the reason for and why I have now trying to develop the OZ Injector this will complete the whole process.
It will give a process that will treat wastewater to a potable level and provide power from the water that it cleans for the whole process, and a lot more power for the grid.
I do not put effort and time into something that I feel does not have more than an 80% chance of working.
The most common thing on these forums is some people take the information given in go faith for all to use, but turn around and patent it for them selves for there own personal profit.
This has happened several times on this site and others.
The OZ Injector name will bring up a lot of items because 'oz' is a common term for ounce,
this makes hard to find, OZ is also a name in reference to Australians.
I visit this site to keep in touch with what is happening and make some occasional comments.
I did not mean lazy as a person only you know that, but I have noticed that you asked a loot of questions on this site when with a bit of extra use of the curser you could have found the answers.
There is a tight knit of persons on this site that seem to defend each other.
aussepom

[H2-Paul]

Aussepom,

Looked at your information you have posted per your suggestion. Although you show a much better drawing here, I would like to know about the details of the H2O (water) reaction when exposed to a plasma flame..... Although I am not a scientist, I presume the following...

1) When water is exposed to the plasma, does it not vaporize just into steam ??

2) If and how (I am not sure how) it converts to Hydroxy, with the presence of the plasma, it must immediately just combust .. So the unit would have to be installed as a spark plug / active injector, hence the issue of the need to turn it on and off, & the ability to seal the water and air inputs from the cylinder combustion to prevent future blockage from soot in the combustion chamber.. Although as you mentioned, installed as an igniter/fuel-injector in a turbine engine would be the most natural installation of all.

Still, the basic question for me is how the plasma converts the water to hydroxy ....

I am on the same page as you. I do not want this type of technologies to be bought-up by a large multinational that has no intention to build and distribute the injector for all...

Take care, Paul
giallof1 at gmail dot com

[aussepom]

Hi H2 Paul
Did you do your sums

I will help you
H2 LHV= 279 per s cubic ft or 9.851695 kj/ltr

Now after testing from the 64 cell unit the information

Hydroxcy LHV = 862.11 per s cubic ft or 30.57128 kj/ltr

From Langmuir atomic hydrogen
Mono H LHV = 1017.846 per s cubic ft or 51.73 kj/ltr

If the OZ Injector proves successful at 100%
The smallest one will give 3,717 lts per minuet. Of Hydroxcy

Or 1,894 kj/sec this is k/watts or 1.894MW of energy
Expected 80% 1,515 kj/sec or 1.515MW of energy
The largest one
74,340 a min 37,876 kj/sec or 37,876kW 37.876MW

80% 30,300.8 kj/sec 30,300kW or 30.3MW

Power used from the grid 240V 50hz about 5 amps to 15 amps for the largest

however now it is expected to produce mono so this value will increase

If you want one of these it is expected market COST PRICE with all the control equipment
Will cost you $A2,000 each approximately
Any more information for the planed running of trucks and cars well you will have to wait I do not intend any one to patent it because it will be available on the web. unles a good offer is made.

Aussepom

[aussepom]

Hi the earlier post seems to have goe missing here it is again
Aussepom,

Looked at your information you have posted per your suggestion. Although you show a much better drawing here, I would like to know about the details of the H2O (water) reaction when exposed to a plasma flame..... Although I am not a scientist, I presume the following...

1) When water is exposed to the plasma, does it not vaporize just into steam ??

No it will not

2) If and how (I am not sure how) it converts to Hydroxy, with the presence of the plasma, it must immediately just combust .. So the unit would have to be installed as a spark plug / active injector, hence the issue of the need to turn it on and off, & the ability to seal the water and air inputs from the cylinder combustion to prevent future blockage from soot in the combustion chamber.. Although as you mentioned, installed as an igniter/fuel-injector in a turbine engine would be the most natural installation of all.

No you are not thinking it out as mentioned in later posts it was the original idea hence the 'injector' name.
If a fireman sprays a fine mist of water, normally used for protection, this is just in front of a fireman that is used of the one carrying a solid stream hose. If by accident this fine mist gets in contact with red hot steel the water 'explodes'. The water is instantaneously disassociated the hydrogen is fuel the oxygen assists the rapid burning.
The reason could be that the as the water disassociates it is enclosed in a wall of flame , no oxygen you have a two gasses one a fuel and one that will allow to burn the flame around it is the ignition.
Sending a steam of water in to a plasma with a core temp of 50,000 Kelvin, you need 3,000 deg C for disassociation.
I will be initially using it as a very big bunson burner, by balancing the water flow and the plasma field. This is for use in a combustion chamber of a gas turbine.
To get a gas output. I will tell you another day as I am going to bed

Latest trials by a friend here in Australia of a 64 plate circular closed unit producing 5.5lites of HOH a min. test have confirmed the heating value of HOH I have those values H2 required 17lts a min to run the small generator 2.5hp, HOH ran it on 5.5lts a min. at the same speed. Do some sums.
Aussepom

[H2-Paul]

who is manipulating information on this board... OR should I say removing it.... There used to be 55 pages here and now there are 54.... My post from yesterday is missing


WELL which moderator will admit to manipulating information........

Paul

[H2-Paul]

Thanks Ausse..

Well here it is, what I have been asking for and getting shot down....

When Aussepon sais that he operated a 2.5 HP engine on 5.5 Liters of HOH then it makes sense that we would need 330 Liters of HOH to operate a car ICE developing 150 HP , hence the requirement for a high volume disassociation device like the OZ Injector (when it comes to reality) and not the electrolysis cell which only seem to produce a fraction of HOH required (2 to 5 Liters per minute) ........

The discussion about Aluminum seems to be more promising even though aluminum isn't cheap and has a byproduct that has to be dealt with ..

[H2-Paul]

Can this test be accomplished with the tip of a TIG Welder ??? What would you suggest would be a good experimentation platform to create a plasma and subsequently the conversion of liquid water into an expanded substance....

As in turbine engines, the thrust is actually the expansion of air that is facilitated by heating it in the combustion chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine

This OZ Injector application is well suited for a continuously running engine like a turbine so the application would be a small turbine spinning a generator which would in turn power electric motors...

Still, more detail would be appreciated since you are publishing here...

[H2-Paul]

correction the post about missing pages belongs on

Low energy Input, mass hydrogen output methods in use.

board..
Paul

[Bob Boyce]

[aussepom]

Hi H2 Paul
I did a lot of work on Resonant and harmonic frequencies a very long time ago.
Look at Pularich, look at similarities.

He talks about the FO frequency and sidebands.

'The amplitude modulation of the carrier gives rise to side bands in the power spectrum of the carrier frequency distribution'
These early guys played around a lot with ham radio, 'sideband' is one of there terms.
There was an upper and lower.
The main 'carrier wave' F0 then has two side bands.
You can get natural 'sideband' with harmonic frequencies.
However some are harder to get.
The 9th harmonic will give you two such harmonics either side of the F0, carrier f.
I did a write up on this one of these forums.
If you want to double you're current through the cell, which is no more than a very leaky capacitor, with the same current from the power supply.

Using the lower harmonic frequency, tune you 'Q' of the resonant tank circuit to this frequency, it must be a high 'Q' to get a 5hz + or - .
It should occur at the 3db points; it is simpler to use the third harmonic frequency.
The series resistor in the circuit will be the current determining factor.
The circulating current in the 'cell' and the coil can be made to be double this or slightly more.
Remember the 'older guys' talked of RF not AC, AC was what came from the mains where ever you were.
To work out the power of the circuit you worked on the RMS value, or the RF power using instantaneous values.
aussepom