Help for our newbies

[Art]

WARNING! Many, if not all of the projects described within these post, contain dangerous and potentially fatal consequences if you do not exercise proper precautions and follow standard safety procedures. The owner of this site takes no responsibility for injury sustained by anyone attempting to duplicate or utilize any of the information on this site. The information here is strictly for Educational Purposes! -USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

1. Read and search if you have a question(for chances are it has been answered)
2. Be helpful when asking a question
a Let people know were you are and were you have looked
b ASK do not demand a answer
c Be open minded for there may be many different ways to get to were you are going
d DO NOT bash anyone's work it will give you a bad rep which will make it harder for you to get answers later
this comes from a post
Before asking a question do the following:


1 .Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
2. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum
3. Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
4. Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.

this is some more from the same post
Take your time. Do not expect to be able to solve a complicated problem with a few seconds of Googling. Read and understand the forum and the topic's, sit back, relax and give the problem some thought before approaching . I generally can tell from most questions, how much reading and thinking most did, and will be more willing to help if you come prepared. Don't instantly fire your whole arsenal of questions just because your first search turned up no answers (or too many).

Prepare your question. Think it through. Hasty-sounding questions get hasty answers, or none at all. The more you do to demonstrate that having put thought and effort into solving your problem before seeking help, the more likely you are to actually get help.

On the other hand, making it clear that you are able and willing to help in the process of developing the solution is a very good start. “Would someone provide a pointer?â€

[AlaskaStar]

Art: I wholeheartedly Second that motion.

All in favor......


All Opposed......

Motion passed?

I think a Newbie Section here would be great, for one, it helps the new guys. secondly, everything that gets posted here consumes available data space, and repeatedly asking the same questions, just consumes more time, and space. Considering whom is bearing the entire blunt of the site.....

Off topic, I should probably ask where I can send a USPS Money order to help out with the site.

AlaskaStar

[Chris]

You can donate directly through the site link from the main page. It will come to me through PayPal but you do not need a paypal account to donate. You can do it through a credit card or a checking account.

If that doesn't work, let me know.

[AlaskaStar]

By personal choice, I chose long ago to never have a credit card, or Checkbooks. Cash and Carry. My business ACCEPTS Credit cards, and Checks, but even that does NOT mean that we have a credit card of any sort.

So unfortunately, Checks and Credit, by choice cannot be issued.

I'd still like to donate.

AlaskaStar

[Art]

for our newbies that don't know anything about electrolysis & hydrogen production click this link
http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_My_Pr ... s%20Basics
this is a link to the info that Chris has in his projects page it is fun and you will need to be careful with it
he does however show you the basic concept

keep on keeping on

[Art]

now that we all understand the basic concept i will give you the links to some simple designs for cells
http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_My_Pr ... &PageNum=1 this one comes from Chris

here is a another one from Clovisc it is a booster cell with detailed wire dig. cell design and cost effective way to start
http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other ... ts/clovisc

I thank everyone that has given good projects i plan to use many other projects on oupower to help our newbies

my goal on this thread is to help so if any newbies have any question then please ask me if i can i will try to answer it or point you in the direction to answer them
as i am fairly new i will keep on posting things in steps of what i feel that someone can go from not knowing nothing about electrolysis & hydrogen production to understanding what we (oupower members)have come to figure out

keep on keeping on

[Art]

just a little more info
when building your cells you will find many different materials that will work (':wink:')
it has been debated in some past threads about stainless steel vs everything else for electrodes and anodes
power source,electrolyte,cell type(series,stacked,multi cell,ect....) will determine your electrodes and anodes
my best advice is to try one of the ones i listed earlier to get started with then when you get farther involved try to searching some of Bob Boyce's work for his has a lot of people working on his designs and bob has answered a lot of the questions that have been ask about his work so to find a answer about his work just takes a little digging don't get me wrong there are a lot of other great work here to follow ('8)')

the best way i found to keep things straight with my notes on my hd i set up a folder with sub folders with names like Bob's work and then their sub folders titled cells and then when i read things i need to remember or things want to note i will highlight them copy then paste them in a note pad and label them then place the file to the proper place so instead of asking in the threads i will go thru my notes first then if i don't find what i am looking for i will search the site then at last if i still don't find the answer i will ask but try to follow the asking guide as stated before
most of the time i find the answer on my own (':shock:')
feels great to discover some of things i have found
if you dig deep enough and take good notes you will find step by step ways of doing what others have done then you will find ways others have helped to better one and other (efficiency,gas output,so on )
now i need some input on what else us newbies need on our thread (':wink:')
Wink
keep on keeping on

[Etownlax]

I have a question...
I know I have heard here, from Bob or someone else, that cells that seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen, where there is a divider between the plates, that they are less efficent. I am wondering why/how this is. I've looked but could only find them saying that it is less efficent because the distances but I still don't understand why. If it is less efficent, where does the extra energy go? Does it create more heat than normal cells? And has anyone really tried this or is this more of a thing they think has to be true and there is no other way?

I hope that doesn't sound mean or anything. It sort of does but its not suppose to.

-Randy

[Art]

Yes you are correct that there is cells that do just that now less efficient yes they are and yes the waisted power turns to heat thus more heat =more water vapor. now lets see why they are less efficient

1 space the distance needed between the electrodes and anodes to keep the gases from coming up in the same bubbles

2 power needed OK i will put it as simple as i can water = crowd of people you = power OK to get thru a crowd that is in say 3 rows by 100 not too bad + to - fairly simple OK take same amount of people put them in a room instead + to - a little slower with more effort to get there

3 we all know add heat to water it turns to vapor
OK the links to were these cells are i will get back to you on those
but this were we get thinking how do we get rid of the heat,high power this could be done
yes it can because thinking out side the box is one thing but if you were to redesign the box of thinking is what we are about to do here
one more thing why take the oxygen out??
keep on keeping on

[Etownlax]

[Etownlax]

The first picture there... don't listen to it about carbon rods. Assume that it is one plate:Divider:one plate.
Why is that inefficient? Is it because some parts of the electrode have farther to go than other parts? Thus making some parts with more resistance than others?

I guess I"m gonna have to try some stuff too... try on small scale with temperature readings and everything.

-Randy

[Art]

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[Art]

[Etownlax]

no, I wasn't implying that I wanted anyone to check and do little experiments. I changed my picture so it is what its suppose to be now.

The second picture.

All that I meant was that is what I am going to do now.

When I do this(won't be for a little while) I will report back so that all people will no. This why they won't have to waste time or money on something that someone could have just told them how and why.

-Randy