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New theory New electrolyzer designs.

Postby hkyle » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:56 pm

I have been thinking for a while on how to make a supper efficient electrolyzer. To me personally I do not think that sticking plates into a vat of water is very efficient. Why don’t we start from the beginning? Just for an example I will use my vehicle, I have a 1987 chev s10 with a 1991 2.5l 4 tech. This truck needs 231.67 liters of hydroxy to run at 2500 rpm for 1 min. That is A LOT OF HYDROXY. Lets nock this down another step. 231.67 divided by 4 (4cylender engine) that is 57.91 liters per min per cylinder. Now this is starting to sound a little better, still a lot of gas but what the heck (if you can do this efficient enough you just make four electrolyzers). Lets try and make this a little more manageable. In order to get 57.91 liters of hydroxy gas how much water do we need? If you do the math you are looking somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 tablespoons of water per minute per cylender. If one gallon of water holds 4707 liters of hydrogen and 2353 liters of oxygen than 1 tablespoon of water is equal to 23.1 liters of hydroxy give or take. Now that we know how much water we need for 1 min let’s start designing the electrolyzer so you can slowly add 2-3 tablespoons of water over a period of one minute. Does anyone think this will make a difference?
To me there is too much wasted energy going into unused or unneeded water at one time. We need to focus the electrons only into the amount of water we need at one point in time. The current theory of electrolysis is that it takes an outrageous amount of current to break the bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. We need to relearn and try new ideas. Think of it this way. We will start with the Oxygen molecule, Oxygen has an atomic weight of 16, 8 protons and 8 neutrons. It also has 8 electrons 2 on the first shell and 6 on the second shell. All molecules want to be a perfect molecule, in order for Oxygen to be a perfect molecule what does it need. It needs and wants to have 8 electrons on the outer shell. And where does it get those extra electrons…….Hydrogen of course.
Hydrogen has an atomic weight of 1, 1 proton and 0 neutrons; it also has 1 electron on the first shell. Seeing how all molecules again want to be a perfect molecule it needs or wants to have 2 electrons on its first shell…..And where does it get that extra electron………Oxygen of course.

That is why you have 2 hydrogen molecules attached to one oxygen molecule. Not any more than that.
So we now know how many protons and neutrons and electrons each molecule has we can start figuring out what there Magnetic value is. First off before I get going on this I will give a simple example….If you take one large bar magnet and one small bar magnet and place them one in front of the other and let go what will happen….The smaller bar magnet will race over to the larger bar magnet…And why is that ummmm maybe because of there WEIGHT, of course the smaller magnet does not weigh as much so it moves toward the larger magnet…The Oxygen molecule weights more than the Hydrogen molecule thus the hydrogen has no choice but to live out is life with oxygen and maken water.
So how does this relate. We need to figure out what the Magnetic value is of each molecule. This is quite simple. Oxygen has 8 protons and 8 electrons they cancel each other out. First shell has 2 electrons they cancel each other out. The 2nd shell has 6 electrons they pair up 2 2 2 again canceling each other out. So what is the value NEGATIVE?
Hydrogen has 1 proton but it has 1 electron because of the one electron it has a + potential?…Like we all know opposites attract and that’s why the hydrogen is bonded to the oxygen….Maybe magnetic attraction? So how do we remove the hydrogen from the oxygen efficiently? You supply the water with a massive Magnetic Field with a + and – potential? If this theory is correct the Hydrogen should be attracted to the stronger magnetic field thus removing itself from the oxygen. Criticism Welcome at this point.
My whole point is that your electrolyzer could be the size of your coffee cup. You don’t need to send all that wasted energy into extra water. Use what you need. If you only need 2-3 tablespoons of water for one minute than design your electrolyzer around that and see what happens. You might be amazed at the outcome.

My last experiment, the size of my electrolyzer was 1 inch tall by 2 inches round. The outside was the cathode and I had a small anode post in the center. The whole unit was right in the middle of a strong magnetic field. To my surprise trust me I was shocked I noticed that the electrons were moving at right angles from the anode and causing a vortex effect (circular motion) around the anode on the rising hydrogen bubbles...We know that electrons in a vacuum (when placed in a magnetic field) will move out at right angles. I am not sure if this still applies to electrons in a liquid.
If you haven’t figured it out yet yes my electrolyzer was based off of the workings of a magnetron. I was thinking that I might be able to tune the electrons to the required frequency by utilizing a high variable voltage. As electrons flow out in a circular motion from the anode they come in contact with baffles within the cathode. By doing this they also create a – and + potential within the cell. By ejecting electrons off of the anode at a variable speed I was hoping that the internal - and + potential would split the hydrogen and oxygen and the baffles would tune the electrons into the required resonant frequency.
I thought that this was a very interesting theory, and I am still working on it. My knowledge is well limited on the resonant frequency stuff any help will truly be welcome and much appreciated. Also please let me know if you think this will be a waste of my time…If you do please state your reasons. I am going to pursue this idea and post my finding in the near future. Again if you think you can help please do.
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