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Postby medwards06 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:46 am

Here is a very interesting article about water:

"http://www.psc.edu/science/2005/jordan/"

In particular under the heading "Spectral Signatures".
Although most people think they must have the perfect cell to start with, I believe the main part of water fracturing is to understand what is going on with the water. If you build a cell with tin can lids and run it for 5 minutes OK, after 5 minutes you end up with rusty plates but then you can move to SS316.
Can anyone tell me why we can not prove this concept wiith just one cell (2 plates)? I feel many of us are trying to run before we have learnt to walk.
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Postby emmett » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:31 am

The best way to up the success rate is to double the failure rate.
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Postby medwards06 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:37 pm

efoda,

I guess it will be pointless asking you where on the Web I may find Bobs torroidal transformer details!

You missed my point. No disrepect is meant to Bob or any one else. You are suggesting I should copy everything that Bob has produced in the hope that I may get somewhere.

Admitedly it would be much easier for me to copy someone elses work but that would inhibit me from spreading the knowldege.
My only other alternative is to work things out for myself.

We all have our reasons. I don't want to be a teacher to the world but it's saviour!

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PS I have not only read the postings on this site but many others and have even backed them up.
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Postby glenn_aircooled » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:03 am

Yes My first torroidal winding was quite difficult, and that was only
the final three windings.
Must get me some of that mylar tape.
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Postby medwards06 » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:18 am

Glen,
Isn't the toroidal transformer an off the shelf product and then 3 windings added on?

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Postby Looking In » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:50 am

Have a great thanksgiving.
Smile This is a response to the strange e-mail's. Please read the post. Do your research. I will try to help in any way I can within reason. Stop the e-mails and post your questions on Chris's forum. I'm a simple man and as always will try to explain it in simple terms if I can. I'm not the electronic guru. I just do allot of research. Again Please do yourself a favor. Learn from your experiences. Try it. It's rewarding to make something out of nothing. Now..
Most people want to build there boxes last. I needed to get the box behind me. I wanted a sealed cell to perform well just using a standard 12V to 15.8V battery and or power source. And when I look at my boxes now, I see this project coming together. Guys, build your boxes first. Get it working well with 12V to 15V Low Amps, Low Heat. This is just my personal view. I do tend to go overboard, or as some has stated (( I,m Anal)) well I am.
I have been working for the past few months on ultra white led's I'm constructing a lights for my home. I have been using florescent lights for years. So what I'm trying to do is produce light with less power. Now on to load, impedance, and matching. Lets see if I have this right. Here's the way I see it in my world.
1.If I take my small 12V battery bank I have 10 parallel wired they are ( battery size 3 inches by 4 inches) and hook it up to my 12V florescent light it would not last long at all. I have a heavy load on such a small battery bank.
2. Now hook this same light to my 12V battery bank they are parallel wired ( battery size 9 inches by 14 Inches). It will last longer.
3. If I take my small 12V battery bank I have 10 parallel wired they are ( battery size 3 inches by 4 inches) and hook it up to my LED lights. A very light load for my light weight lights
4.Now hook this same Led lights to my 12V battery bank they are parallel wired ( battery size 9 inches by 14 Inches). It will last so much longer.
Now match them together. Light duty to light duty and heavy duty to heavy duty. :) :)
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Postby medwards06 » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:19 pm

Guys, I am very well aware of the torture that you are all puting yourself through to make multi cell units. Bob has said over and over again that each cell design behaves uniquely and needs individual tuning and perhaps maintenance. To me that sounds like a pain in the butt. I feel very encouraged by his post and in fact see it as an endorsement of single cell approach. My intention is to develop something that can be easily mass produced and self tune.
Just think: with single cell there will be no problem with keeping water levels the same or keeping individual cells water tight from one another.

OK a single cell would have low impedance. There must be impedance matching of the power supply/toroid. See we are back to toroid again.
I know there are many mountains to climb before we get there but I'll carry on.


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Glenn , See Ya.
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