After my distration for the NEC visiting BJ who has a wealth of information on hydroxy, I am now back on task for my Bob cell. Glenn is ahead of me so is Bluey
The next stage is the electronics...i will be taking two approches...the Torriod and the tricked up inverter. Hopefully I will get the last of the info I need from Bob.
I learned a lot about paying attention to detail from Rich and BJ. I learned a lot about plate preeration yesterday and magnetic alignment. Its the simple things that can make the difference.
Anyone with success with Bobs contruction that could be of help but not happy to post please email me. I need all the help I can get.
I have been causing havoic in some other forums...and will behave myself here Chris ...but I will always challenge false claims and data.
It was interesting challenging Franks data and methods. Even though i showed he posted incorrect data, made false claims I am still the bad boy. I have been shot many times as the meeanger.
Kind regards
Mark
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by Looking In » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:47 am
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by glenn_aircooled » Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:31 pm
[quote="waterbard]
These circuits are less complex in building because everything is integrated. I have a few that generate sine and square waves, plus have a phase shift function, all programmable through a serial interface. I have to rewrite some of the software so I can just call routines with alternating patterns.
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I would be very interested in getting Mark to
find out all about this.! Just the square waves should suffice, but
that phase shift function - Mighty Handy.
I can see this being a very rewarding exchange of ideas.
These circuits are less complex in building because everything is integrated. I have a few that generate sine and square waves, plus have a phase shift function, all programmable through a serial interface. I have to rewrite some of the software so I can just call routines with alternating patterns.
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I would be very interested in getting Mark to
find out all about this.! Just the square waves should suffice, but
that phase shift function - Mighty Handy.
I can see this being a very rewarding exchange of ideas.
Glenn , See Ya.
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by MarkinAustralia » Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:54 pm
Hi Rich & Waterbard.
You two getting together would be so good. I have hoped you would for some time. I have great respect for both of you and feel that along with Glenn and a few others will have the best chance of cracking this efficency problem.
I am hoping for Bob to forward me or Glenn some of the missing information on the torriod specs and how to wire it in. I know others have been sent this info but I do not want it unless it comes from Bob. Bluey and Glenn have there cells finished and mine isnt far away but I want to replicate everything exactly as Bob has done it. If I can make it work..and I will try for weeks great...if not i will move onto the next design. Unlike others who I have berrated (Frank Robberts) its not a matter of proving if Bob's deign works or not its a mater if I ,Glenn or bluey can get it to work for us. I am possitive other have.
The NEC is the New Energy Congress. It is a loose association of people around the world that rates the impact new technologies could have on the world. These include solar,wind etc etc. However we are also involved in facilitating independent validation and documentation of free energy devises from megnetic motors to almost anything. As we know many claims have been made. Sadly I have to report to date that we know of no free energy device that has had its claims backed up with independent validation. believe me I have seen hundreds.
BJ is our latest project who has come forward and made some claims re a Proton device(Joe cell) We have arrange some resources for him to back his claim up and if successful we will validate it and disclose all in a public event. i have no opinion if it will or wont work.
However BJ did a lot of work on hydroxy as well. He has over the years mostly worked independently from everyone else. Much of his work isnt new..but some of his approaches are very orriginal. He built a welder...at first I thought it was not unlike many others had built...however when I looked inside his approach was different. If this welder (I have a video of it I will post) runs at the efficency he claims..then he has indeed a very efficient hydroxy device. This will be simple to test and i will let you know soon.
However what I did learn of Bj was the effects of magnetic alignment. he showed the effects of even a scratch on stainless steel can have. He even showed me the effects of when using a tig welder having the polarity of the welder right is so important. You need to reverse it if working on cathode materials vs working on anode. i will document what I have seen so you can see for yourself. Even plates have to have the right polarity magnetically. he has observed when one plate is out of sync with the others yoiu can visibly see it by seeing where the gas is being tracked. I have seen this on many other video's of hydroxy cells.
How much of a bearing this has on cell rfficency i do not know at this stage. However to nuetrilise the effects of magnetism he has all compnents heat treated.
The device we are validating is not a hydroxy device, but even his construction of a "Joe cell" has some unique ways that can explain why so many have failed.
I personally dont believe in Joe cell technology but if there is anyone who could make it work it will be BJ.
i will write to Bob today and see if I am able to be fortunate enough to recieve the info I need to complete the project.
Sorry about the long post
Mark
You two getting together would be so good. I have hoped you would for some time. I have great respect for both of you and feel that along with Glenn and a few others will have the best chance of cracking this efficency problem.
I am hoping for Bob to forward me or Glenn some of the missing information on the torriod specs and how to wire it in. I know others have been sent this info but I do not want it unless it comes from Bob. Bluey and Glenn have there cells finished and mine isnt far away but I want to replicate everything exactly as Bob has done it. If I can make it work..and I will try for weeks great...if not i will move onto the next design. Unlike others who I have berrated (Frank Robberts) its not a matter of proving if Bob's deign works or not its a mater if I ,Glenn or bluey can get it to work for us. I am possitive other have.
The NEC is the New Energy Congress. It is a loose association of people around the world that rates the impact new technologies could have on the world. These include solar,wind etc etc. However we are also involved in facilitating independent validation and documentation of free energy devises from megnetic motors to almost anything. As we know many claims have been made. Sadly I have to report to date that we know of no free energy device that has had its claims backed up with independent validation. believe me I have seen hundreds.
BJ is our latest project who has come forward and made some claims re a Proton device(Joe cell) We have arrange some resources for him to back his claim up and if successful we will validate it and disclose all in a public event. i have no opinion if it will or wont work.
However BJ did a lot of work on hydroxy as well. He has over the years mostly worked independently from everyone else. Much of his work isnt new..but some of his approaches are very orriginal. He built a welder...at first I thought it was not unlike many others had built...however when I looked inside his approach was different. If this welder (I have a video of it I will post) runs at the efficency he claims..then he has indeed a very efficient hydroxy device. This will be simple to test and i will let you know soon.
However what I did learn of Bj was the effects of magnetic alignment. he showed the effects of even a scratch on stainless steel can have. He even showed me the effects of when using a tig welder having the polarity of the welder right is so important. You need to reverse it if working on cathode materials vs working on anode. i will document what I have seen so you can see for yourself. Even plates have to have the right polarity magnetically. he has observed when one plate is out of sync with the others yoiu can visibly see it by seeing where the gas is being tracked. I have seen this on many other video's of hydroxy cells.
How much of a bearing this has on cell rfficency i do not know at this stage. However to nuetrilise the effects of magnetism he has all compnents heat treated.
The device we are validating is not a hydroxy device, but even his construction of a "Joe cell" has some unique ways that can explain why so many have failed.
I personally dont believe in Joe cell technology but if there is anyone who could make it work it will be BJ.
i will write to Bob today and see if I am able to be fortunate enough to recieve the info I need to complete the project.
Sorry about the long post
Mark
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by MarkinAustralia » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:11 pm
Thanks Glenn i did
i was hoping to write to waterbard soon. I didnt want to disturb him as he is on holidays
Mark
i was hoping to write to waterbard soon. I didnt want to disturb him as he is on holidays
Mark
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by waterbard » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:49 pm
Mark, you can always email me anytime, I don't mind. I always knew that working with steel changed its magnetic properties, I just didn't know why. I found this article that talks about 304SS and how it becomes magnetic when its worked.
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question ... anID=sa005
The metallic atoms in an austenitic stainless steel are arranged on a face-centered cubic (fcc) lattice. The unit cell of an fcc crystal consists of a cube with an atom at each of the cube's eight corners and an atom at the center of each of the six faces. In a ferritic stainless steel, however, the metallic atoms are located on a body-centered (bcc) lattice.
Chromium, molybdenum and silicon make it more likely that the alloy will exhibit the bcc crystal structure at room temperature.
The most popular stainless steel is Type 304, which contains approximately 18 percent chromium and 8 percent nickel. At room temperature, the thermodynamically stable crystal structure of 304 stainless steel is bcc;
maintains an fcc structure and therefore the alloy is nonmagnetic. If the alloy is mechanically deformed, i.e. bent, at room temperature, it will partially transform to the ferritic phase and will be partly magnetic, or ferromagnetic, as it is more precisely termed.
Popular ferritic stainless steels are iron-chromium binary alloys with 13 to 18 percent chromium. These alloys are ferromagnetic at room temperature. Like all ferromagnetic alloys, when heated to a high enough temperature--their Curie temperature--the ferritic stainless steels lose their ferromagnetism and become paramagnetic--that is, they do not retain their own magnetic field but continue to be attracted to external ones.
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question ... anID=sa005
The metallic atoms in an austenitic stainless steel are arranged on a face-centered cubic (fcc) lattice. The unit cell of an fcc crystal consists of a cube with an atom at each of the cube's eight corners and an atom at the center of each of the six faces. In a ferritic stainless steel, however, the metallic atoms are located on a body-centered (bcc) lattice.
Chromium, molybdenum and silicon make it more likely that the alloy will exhibit the bcc crystal structure at room temperature.
The most popular stainless steel is Type 304, which contains approximately 18 percent chromium and 8 percent nickel. At room temperature, the thermodynamically stable crystal structure of 304 stainless steel is bcc;
maintains an fcc structure and therefore the alloy is nonmagnetic. If the alloy is mechanically deformed, i.e. bent, at room temperature, it will partially transform to the ferritic phase and will be partly magnetic, or ferromagnetic, as it is more precisely termed.
Popular ferritic stainless steels are iron-chromium binary alloys with 13 to 18 percent chromium. These alloys are ferromagnetic at room temperature. Like all ferromagnetic alloys, when heated to a high enough temperature--their Curie temperature--the ferritic stainless steels lose their ferromagnetism and become paramagnetic--that is, they do not retain their own magnetic field but continue to be attracted to external ones.
Bzzz...
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Re: cell
by Looking In » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:32 am
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