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Ravi's Meyer Replication- Tap Water to H2

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Postby ravzz » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:53 am

I use the 555....never checked if it was heating up!

Your spacing would be the same as Dave's and Stan's.... i.e., 1.5875mm or 1/16 ".

My outer tube thickness was 14 SWG or 2.032mm so thats the reason why the spacing was lesser. The inner tube should've been 19.05mm but you can see in the pics that its 19.930mm.

Goto page 3 of this thread i've posted the calculations for the spacing.





You need to make changes as per the updated D14! the older one doesnt work that well !

EVERYONE PLEASE USE THE UPDATED D14 CIRCUITS ONLY NOT THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS.

Patrick had updated these on June 2nd 2007.

Incase you have doubts please got to the following link and carify to the page 7 circuit:

http://panaceauniversity.org/D14.pdf





Hydro, if you are going for a bigger setup than Dave's. Then,

Change the 100 ohm 0.25 watt resistors to 0.5 / 1.0 watt resistors depending on the increase in exposed surface area. I use 1 watt.

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Postby ravzz » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:26 am

Alright people there's something really weird happening in the WFC.

Dave had mentioned some time ago that there's some glow in the dark.


I just checked it in pitch dark..... theres some kind of orange glow coming from the bottom of the WFC but cant make out exactly from where... tried taking pics but didnt work they got all pixulated.


Any idea what this could be??

Will get back in a day or two.


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Postby ravzz » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:02 am

Rich SAS:

I have no idea what it was. It was an orangish glow and comes intermittently for two or three secs then goes off for a while, you cant see any glow on top of the tubes but only at the bottom....cant be the leads as theyre enclosed in plastic piping and the point where the wires are spot welded is also covered with silicone sealant....you can see this in the pics I posted. Could be Radiant Ener but thats what was happening....this couldve been happening all along but I never noticed it as I was always concentrating on the generation at the top of the tubes.


There's a theory that they could be HV discharges....possible


Chemelec says it could be contamination...possible...as its plain tap water and not filtered for particulates aswell.

Any other possibilities?



You're the man Kevin!! Do let us know if it works.



Hydro:

I havent changed the resistances at all but only increased the wattages of the ones which got burnt out.....

Being a Mechanical Engineer I dont know too much about electronics. i got my circuit made by somebody and when ever there were problems I got them rectified by the same person and kept track of what changes he made and I've told you what the changes were.

I'll check if the circuit is generating any heat. I havent till now.

I think you should mail your variations to Patrick at

engpjk@yahoo.co.uk

he could discuss these with Dave and get back to you.


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Postby ravzz » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:08 am

Check this post for the same thread in overunity.com ....this could be of help!! Im pasting it here for reference:








Ravi,

Do you know the approximate frequency at which you are applying the square wave pulses to your WFC?



The reason why is related to some research I did with a well known 'water as a fuel' research group.....


Here was the crux of my interesting finding:

The findings are based on this youtube video from Dave Lawton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwbvsya3Ek , WATCH IT!


[4/1/2007 3:40:25 PM] Tao says:
Just doing a simple calculation a tube in plain fresh water, the equation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_resonance shows f=(n*v)/(2*L) where n corresponds to the harmonic, v is the speed of sound in the water, and L is the length of the tube....

So, lets simplify this equation, n can be always 1, v is 1435 m/s in fresh water according to Wikipedia.

So, f = (1*1435)/(2*L) = 717.5 / L = f , Just for fun, lets take the frequency Dave was producing Hydroxy at in his latest video on Youtube: 3425.781Hz

So, 3425.781 = 717.5 / L , L = 717.5 / 3425.781 = 0.21 meters , So that would be 8.27 inches long.... So, how long in inches are Dave's tubes? Just curious........


[4/2/2007 11:26:20 PM] Tao says:
So, I asked how long Dave's tubes were, well, I looked up how long they were from an old post Dave did on the original forum back in 2004...


[4/2/2007 11:26:44 PM] Tao says:
Dave said that his tubes were about 12.5-13cm (which is about 5 inches long)


[4/2/2007 11:27:39 PM] Tao says:
so, calculating that into the equation: 717.5 / L = f , we have 717.5 / 0.1275 = f , so f = about 5650Hz


[4/2/2007 11:28:21 PM] Tao says:
So, based on what it says at the END of that video on youtube, it says that the hydroxy was being produced at 3425.78Hz


[4/2/2007 11:29:00 PM] Tao says:
BUT, they acoustic frequency came out to be 5650Hz, so I said, 'oh, too bad' seems there isn't much of a connection, I guess I need to
do more research'


[4/2/2007 11:29:10 PM] Tao says:
UNTIL, I just watched that video again..........


[4/2/2007 11:29:50 PM] Tao says:
Look at what Dave was pulsing his DC at in the video: 5714Hz!!!!
At 1:11 in the video you can see what he was pulsing at.......


[4/2/2007 11:30:58 PM] Tao says:
Based on the equation for acoustic resonance, Dave was pulsing his tubes at the EXACT frequency at which those tubes will resonate ACOUSTICALLY in FRESH WATER...



So, my finding was basically this:

Dave found the BEST gas production at the VERY SAME frequency that just so happens to be where his tubes resonate ACOUSTICALLY IN WATER... HMMM...

Maybe it is nothing at all but a coincidence, but maybe there is just something to it........................
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Postby ravzz » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:57 pm

Alright People some have been very skeptical about the volumes I mentioned....so this video is for especially for them!!



Sorry about the bad quality....the natural light wasnt there like in the videos 7 & 8......so you need to adjust with this till I make a fresh one with better lighting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMSUe76PZLQ

Well Hydro looks like you were right the WFC seems to be producing more!!
1.31min into the video the gas collection was started and stopped at 1.51min of the video......20 secs to be exact.

The gas collected was over 150CC could be 160 / 165CC....
As some might say that there could be Steam / Vapour / Mist......lets just take the output as 150CC in 20 Secs.

This comes to 7.5CC of gas/Sec at 0.48A - 0.50A.

Last I checked with the old leads was 7.0 CC gas without any thing removed from the generation.

I'll catch up in a day.


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Weak Dave simulator for fun

Postby Big-bubbles » Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:15 pm

I found this Java scrip applet to use for a simulator of Dave's circuit.
It has lots of limitations but it's kinda fun and easy to use...Don't think this will solve anything but it is a lot safer than hard parts.
This guy also has some fun stuff to play with on his site if you need a break from life.
You must have Java to use this simulator.

For my version of Dave's circuit Just copy and paste the text below and use the import button on the simulator... (I had to cheat)
I used a high voltage just so you guys could see the spike.
The sim is at..... www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html
It's called analog circuit simulator applet.
Don't drink and sim you might break something.
..................... copy and past under this line ....................................

$ 1 5.0E-6 2.7070718156067044 50 5.0 50
l 320 48 320 128 0 0.0010 6.542871332964828
w 176 256 176 272 0
w 320 48 336 48 0
w 320 192 400 192 0
r 400 128 400 192 0 5.0
w 64 48 176 48 0
r 64 48 64 176 0 220.0
c 64 176 48 336 0 9.999999999999999E-5 12000.573475666968
w 176 48 208 48 0
w 208 48 240 48 0
w 272 48 320 48 0
w 320 272 352 272 0
w 320 272 272 272 0
w 272 272 240 272 0
w 240 272 208 272 0
w 208 272 176 272 0
w 560 48 560 96 0
w 48 336 48 384 0
t 320 304 352 304 0 1 -12001.987706263566 0.7564302982715582
w 352 320 352 384 0
w 352 288 352 272 0
w 48 384 208 384 0
w 208 384 352 384 0
w 560 96 560 384 0
v 112 304 208 304 0 2 400.0 15.0 2.0
l 320 192 320 272 0 9.0E-4 6.542871332964767
v 208 304 272 304 0 2 5714.0 15.0 2.0
c 320 128 320 192 0 1.0E-7 32.76194796874552
r 272 304 320 304 0 220.0
w 352 384 560 384 0
d 176 256 176 48 0
w 320 128 400 128 0
r 240 48 272 48 0 0.5
v 560 48 432 48 0 0 40.0 12000.0 0.0
r 336 48 432 48 0 0.5
w 112 304 48 384 0
w 320 368 352 384 0
r 320 304 320 368 0 820.0
o 4 32 0 1 80.0 51.2 0
o 25 16 0 10 5120.0 25.6 1
o 0 16 0 9 5120.0 102.4 2
o 33 64 1 3 327680.0 9.765625E-5 3
o 27 16 0 10 320.0 1.6 4
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