FUEL CONSUMPTION ?

[weggl]

I sent this email to Gary of Chemelec
As you know I built your o2 sensor and when I installed it about a month ago I had an exhaust analyst done which showed an increase of air fuel ratio increase with every increase in switch settings. As I only normally do short trips of around 6 to 15 KL
There was therefore no way of testing the effectiveness of the ratio reduction in conjunction with a HO generator. I just did a trip of 300KL with the HO on for the trip up and on normal fuel for the trip back, however the fuel used was virtual the same both ways a return of 40 miles per Uk/gal.
Is it possible that the second o2 sensor located at the Cat-converter is overriding the first sensor?
Regards Warren
This was his reply.

Hi Warren, I have no idea what that second 02 sensor does, why its even needed, or how it relates to the first 02 sensor.

However it has always been My Opinion that all this hydrogen injection actually does is:
"Change the Gas/Air Mixture", making the vehicle run "Lean".

While this can give you better gas mileage, its also not good for the motor.

Now by adding the 02 extender, it allows the computer to adjust for this gas/air mixture Error and correct it so its not running lean.

In effect putting it back to normal.

So is the Hydrogen really burning and adding power?
I don't think so.

You can get this same effect by adding Water Vapor instrad of hydrogen.
And water vapor obviously doesn't burn at all.

Anyone out there who may have the answer to my problem?
Weggl

[readyakira]

I will have to look in my book for what the o2 sensor after the converter does, but I thought it only monitors the efficency of the converter. but it is definatly possible it adjusts the mixture as well. I would think also the timing needs to be adjusted slightly if the gas you are injecting burns faster. I would also assum that it would only need a small adjustment unless you are injecting alot of hho. The vaporizer should bring the burn speed or expansion rate back down a bit but I am still making my booster and EFIE to a point I feel comfortable b4 I can do any acutal mileage tests. I have been checking my MPG for the last 6mos, and I get from 12-14 depending on ambient temp and how I drive. So I have half the reasearch done. I also pick up an air/fuel ratio guage to use and monitor the readings. I am considering placing a toggle that will allow me to monitor it from each of the 3 o2 sensors I have. let me know how you are progressing, and I noticed at overunity.com there is a guy with a similar vehicle to mine doing the same thing and has not noticed an increase or decrease yet, but, he does not have an efie installed. He is going to be trying the oxyisolators on his truck and I am going to try the EFIE circuts on mine.

[Beshires1]

weggl, Thought I'd help Gary out a little. Most ICE are only about 25% efficient in fuel consumption. The OBC tries to run the air fuel mixture within its set perimeters, These are somewhere between rich and only slightly lean, but mostly rich.The OBC , reads the signals from the O2 and and is constantly adjusting the air fuel mixture. When boosting the hydrogen burns all the fuel cleanly, making the O2 sensor show a lean condition. This makes the OBC compensate by adding more fuel to richen up the mixture , trying to get it back into its parimeter. This would cause extra fuel consumption. The 02 Extender or (Effie) circuit changes the set perimeter range of the 02 so that the Hydrogen when burned shows to be in perimeter or a rich condition existing, and makes the OBC adjust the mixture leaner to compensate. Resulting in less fuel being injected and less fuel fuel being consumed. AS for the second sensor, before the CC these are usually devices that spark when comanded by the OBC to burn the excess fuel in the exaust. Some vehicles, now have three the O2, the sparker, the one in front of the converter, and another 02 behind the CC that checks out the other two's handy work. Hope this helps.

[redriderno22]

put an EFIE on every o2 sensor

[weggl]

[readyakira]

Can you link that circuit site? I was gonna use one from panaceauniversity.com but it seems that maybe the one you built is more updated?

[weggl]

Readyakira,
Go to

http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/

then to free projects that work
scroll until you find 02 sensor
it is an improvment on the one you were thinking of.

weggl

[weggl]

Beshires1

Tony, I know you are running Gary's o2 system, what do you find is the best setting and what size is you engine?
Try as we could we could not get the engine in my car 2/L to ping or even do anything abnormal even on setting 6 with 1/L per min of HO.
Weggl

[readyakira]

[readyakira]

[readyakira]

[glenn_aircooled]

been such a long time.........but here's the pin.......
Looking from top of IC. [pins are pointing away from you]
Notch in IC is to the bottom. [ towards you ]
Number 1 pin is on the RIGHT, at the bottom , towards you.
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Often its marked with a dot on the IC itself.
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Are you building with that Board that has Heaps of holes and
on the bottom has strips of copper?
The first time I did it was certainly a Challenge.
It really helps to make a Really Good Drawing on Graph paper.
Draw the Solder side too with the areas to cut the copper strips.
I found it needed lots of Double checking.
Glenn.

[readyakira]

Ty I couldn't remember which way it went. It has been a long time since I did much work with IC's usually it has been fix a tracer, replace a relay, or add a pre-made board. Good deal maybe I can get a jump on making these boards. I guess I need 3 so it may take a while. At least once I have one up and running I can make the other 2 from the first as a template.

[weggl]

readyakira
The easiest way to build this unit is to get the board already made by Gary of chemelec. I used plain board and wired it up underneath with hook up wire.
So email Gary and get him to post you one.
by the way that Smacs booster is not very efficient.
weggl

[readyakira]

Yeah I changed the design of it a bit, I added more plates, used actuall stainless instead of plate covers, closed the gaps between plates. I may try this one for a bit, and eventually try to make more of a meyers style unit. Maybe I will try the smacks with a pulse circuit. I hope to post some production figures this weekend. I printed my own board last night, but am still trying to locate the zener diode specified in chemelec's circuit. I will prob order a few boards from him as it was alot of work and his prices are very good from what we discussed in emails. How is yours going? getting any better numbers yet in your mpg?