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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ifzVJ30o-A

Statistics: Posted by magnetman12003 — Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 pm

]]> 2012-04-26T03:22:51-04:00 2012-04-26T03:22:51-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2476&p=28974#p28974 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • Re: Magnet Motor Demonstrated at Delft University]]> Statistics: Posted by tireboy — Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:22 am

]]> 2011-10-18T22:07:19-04:00 2011-10-18T22:07:19-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2526&p=25882#p25882 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • Quantum Levitation]]>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U

No change on the magnetic poles or whatever people work hard for overunity and frictionless movement.

This science walk fast.

Regards

Juanito

Statistics: Posted by juanito — Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:07 pm

]]> 2011-10-12T11:51:34-04:00 2011-10-12T11:51:34-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2524&p=25878#p25878 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • Latin American PMM]]>
It´s been a while since my last vist to this site, and one less ear drum as the result of hydroxy, as I forgot to set the bubbler and the flame got the main PVC generator and blew it away, furtunateley just was a tear inside.

Well, I would like to try less violent ways to produce energy, and magnets look fine for me, and considering that noone must think to get free energy as it may sound, but think on geting it from the less efforth, I would like to present to this comunity some research from 2 guys.

The videos speach for themselves. But as they are in spanish, I would like to try to express what the researchers achieved briefly if my written English allowe me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLJ61WvYz-c

This first Video is from some guy who work hard to get a mechanical way to change the polarity of some magnets and allow a wheel to get impulse from the rejection of the magnetic poles on magnets. Then he build some engine that uses it´s own produced ennergy to feed itself and produce more power to be used on something else.

He claims to have a 5HP generator wih a single rotor with magnets and 10 magnets on the Stator (the thing that covers the rotor)

At the model, he uses a 1/16 hp start motor and a 1/4 hp motor to keep the magnet motor running to generate 4KW, but I am lost as I am sleepy, so let´s see if someone think this is a good idea or just will write that there are thousand of devices like that and I need to go somewhere else.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUHVgWQV ... re=related

Here is the mechanical explanation and soem details on a poor quelity video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ne7-U4e5rk

And of course, soem lady who speaks English as I do explaining aparently his husband development or something like that. Same device, english speak.






This other one is practically the same, but in a smaller scale and away from closed cases which hide probably secrets or tricks.


I will transcript here an attempt from another guy of this video, and if someone can help copying the same video and provide CC for English speaking people may work better:

Source: http://thepowerofone.ws/HOME


00:10 HERE WE'RE AGAIN. BEFORE ANYTHING I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THOSE WHO SENT POSITIVE COMMENTS, AND ALSO THOSE WHO SENT NEGATIVE COMMENTS AS WELL
00:20 BECAUSE IN THE END, ALL ARE WORTH IT
00:30 I'LL DISCLOSE THE TORIAN 3 IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'LL BE POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPONENTS PARTS AND WHAT THIS PROTOTYPE IS ALL ABOUT
00:40 THIS LITTLE MOTOR HAS BEEN QUITE A CONVERSATION PIECE ON THE INTERNET
00:50 ANYWAY, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO ANALIZE DEEPER THE COMPONENT PARTS OF THIS MOTOR, IN HONOR TO ALL THOSE WHO SENT THEIR COMMENTS
01:00 AND FOR WHOM THIS VIDEO IS MADE FOR
01:10 THE FIRST PART I WANT TO SHOW YOU IS THE ROTOR,
01:20 WHICH CONSISTS OF 15 MAGNETS,
01:30 ALL SHOWING THE SAME POLARITY AND ALL DISKS SHOWING THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS
01:40 YOU'LL SEE THAT AS SOON AS I TURN THE ROTOR THE GENERATING UNIT MANIFESTS THE FLOW OF ENERGY ON THE LEDs (THE LIGHTS)
01:50 WITH REFERENCE TO THE STATOR I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT CONTRARY TO THE PERENDEV DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED QUITE A FEW TIMES,
02:00 MY STATOR DOESN'T HAVE MAGNETS ALL AROUND THE RING. IN MY STATOR THE MAGNETS ARE DISTRIBUTED INCLUDING BLANK SPACES IN BETWEEN
02:10 AND THAT DESIGN ALONE PUTS QUITE A DISTANCE BETWEEN ME AND PERENDEV
02:20 CONCERNING THE BARS, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING
02:30 THAT NOT FOR OTHER REASON THAT JUST DESIGN, ONE OF THE BARS IS MAGNETIC AND THE OTHER ONE IS NOT
02:40 THIS MOTOR IS NOT AS LIGHT AS IT SEEMS. IT'S NOY ENTIRELY MADE OUT OF PLASTIC
03:00 AND THE DIGITAL SCALE SHOWS 7.1Kg
03:00 AND THE DIGITAL SCALE SHOWS 7.1Kg. THIS MOTOR HAS ITS OWN PARTICULAR DESIGN AND AS
03:10 A PROTOTYPE, IS NOT ON THE LIGHT SIDE
03:20 THE INNER SHAFT IS 17mm IN DIAMETER, THE OUTER SHAFT IS 8mm AND
03:30 IS IN ITSELF QUITE RIGID. I ALSO WANT TO SHOW YOU THE STATOR/OSCILLATOR, THAT
03:40 AS PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED (IN A PREVIOUS VIDEO), HAS MAGNETIC BARS (THE PROTRUDING MAGNETS) AND THEY DON'T EXHIBIT THE SAME POLARITY
03:50 AS AN EXAMPLE, LET'S SHOW YOU HERE, THE FIRST MAGNET SHOWS ATTRACTION
04:00 BUT THE NEXT MAGNET SHOWS REJECTION; THIRD MAGNET SHOWS ATTRACTION, SAME WITH NUMBERS 4 AND 5 SHOWING ATTRACTION
04:10 OF COURSE, THIS IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FOR THOSE WHO CONSTANTLY PURSUE THE DISTRIBUTION OF DUAL POLARITIES
04:20 THE MAGNETIC OSCILLATION GENERATES SOME DISTURBANCES WHEN SAME AS WELL AS DUAL POLARITIES ARE USED IN DIFFERENT DESIGNS AND THE NORMALIZATION OF FREQUENCY
04:40 IT'S HARD TO SHOW THIS PROTOTYPE AND ALL ITS PECULIARITIES WITHOUT THE SCHEMATICS BUT I DO IT IN RESPONSE TO ALL THE INQUIRIES WE'VE RECEIVED
04:50 THE TORIAN GROUP IS FORMED BY MANY PERSONS AND EACH ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO
05:00 AND WE ALL HAVE AGREED TO DEMONSTRATE IN DETAIL HOW THIS PROTOTYPE WORKS SO EVERYONE WILL OBSERVE THAT THERE'S NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS THAN WHAT YOU SEE. WE HAVE AGREED AS WELL NOT TO SHOW THE SCHEMATICS AS YET
05:10 AND THIS PROTOTYPE HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITH ANY INTENTION TO SELL ANYTHING BUT WITH THE ONLY INTENTION TO SHOW A THEORY.
05:25 I ALSO WANT TO SHOW YOU ON THE GENERATION SIDE
05:30 THIS IS A METER THAT TOOK ME SOME WORK TO GET MY HANDS ON IT. IT'S THE TYPE THAT USES A MOVABLE NEEDLE. THIS METER HAS A PARTICULARITY, WHICH IS A MOVING COIL
05:40 THAT RECREATES IN A
05:50 MORE ACCURATE WAY ANY AMOUNT OF VOLTAGE THAT ENTERS IT
06:00 LET'S TEST THE FIRST AND LAST CONNECTORS THROUGHOUT THE SERIES AND BY TURNING THE ROTOR WE CAN OBSERVE THE MOVEMENT OF THE NEEDLE AND HOW IT GOES DOWN AS THE ROTOR STOPS
06:20 OF COURSE, THERE'S A GREAT EFFICIENCY IN THESE CONNECTORS. AS THE ROTOR SLOWS DOWN, THE NEEDLE GOES DOWN
06:30 AND IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE 12 VOLTS THAT WE CLAIM AS PERFORMANCE
06:45 THE METER IS SET AT 10 VOLTS
06:50 WE TURN THE ROTOR AND THE NEEDLE DECREASES AS THE ROTOR SLOWS DOWN
07:00 THAT'S WHERE THE ENERGY COMES FROM, AND OF COURSE THE LEDs LIGHT UP AS THE NEEDLE GOES UP
07:10 IT'S NOT A 0.001 AMPERE. IT'S A MINI-AMPERE THAT IS TRANSFERED TO THE LEDs AND ALSO
07:20 RE-FEEDS THE MAGNETIC PULSE TO THE MAGNETIC OSCILLATORS AND THAT IS WHAT FINALLY TURNS THE MOTOR
07:30 NOW, LET ME TAKE THESE ITEMS OFF THE TABLE, THE SCALE, THAT I ONLY PUT IT THERE TO SHOW THAT THIS IS NOT A 1/2Kg PROTOTYPE
07:40 NOW, I WANT TO START THIS MOTOR AND I'M SOMEHOW UNEASY AS TO HOW AND WHERE TO PLACE MY HANDS TO START IT DUE TO SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT IT
07:50 IF I MOVE IT... NO... LET ME TURN THE INNER SHAFT DIRECTLY AND PERHAPS IF I CLEANLY DO THIS
08:00 (SLIDING THE STATOR RINGS OVER THE ROTOR DISKS) AND THERE! THE MOTOR IS TURNING
08:10 NOW I'LL PICK IT UP TO SHOW IT TO YOU IN THE AIR AND WHEN I BRING IT DOWN
08:30 I'LL PUT IT ON THE FLOOR TO SHOW YOU THERE'S NOTHING UNDER IT
08:45 I HAVE TO DO THIS DUE TO SO MANY DOUBTING LETTERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS. I HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TORIAN IS A MOTOR THAT IS SELF POWERED
09:00 THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN: THIS IS NOT ZERO POINT ENERGY OR RADIANT ENERGY
09:10 THIS IS ENERGY PRODUCED BY MECHANICAL MOMENTUM
09:20 AND ENERGY IS EXTRACTED FROM THAT MOVEMENT, AS IT'S SHOWN HERE. I'M NOT INVENTING OR OFFERING ENERGY EXTRACTED FROM THIN AIR
09:30 THIS IS ENERGY THAT IS BEING TRANSFERED. A TRANSFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE.
SUPPOSE THIS MOTOR, IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IS NOT OPERABLE ANY LONGER AND THAT I HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT
09:40 SO WHAT IF I HAVE TO BUY A NEW ONE IF THE MOTOR I HAVE BEEN USING FOR FIVE YEARS GAVE ME ALL THE ENERGY I NEEDED AND I DIDN'T PAY ONE CENT TO ANYONE
09:50 I'M NOT CLAIMING AND I DON'T PARTICULARLY BELIEVE TO HAVE COME UP TO PERPETUAL MOTION
10:00 WHAT I HAVE MADE IS A MACHINE THAT ALLOWS ME TO DO WORK AND PERFORMS WORK AT A
10:10 VERY, VERY, VERY LOW COST. THIS IIS WHAT I WANT TO GET ACCROSS TO EVERYONE
10:20 A MOTOR AFTER FIVE OR SIX YEARS MAY NOT BE AS EFFICIENT AS WHEN IT WAS NEW, BUT LOOK...I HAD MINE WORKING FOR FIVE YEARS AND I DIDN'T PAY ONE CENT IN ELECTRICITY
10:30 LET'S PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. LET'S KEEP IN MIND THIS MOTOR IS GOING TO GIVE US PLENTY OF ENERGY FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE IT BECOMES INEFFICIENT
10:45 THIS MOTOR IN PARTICULAR, YOU'LL SEE DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS; DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY PRINCIPLE
11:00 THERE'RE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND THERE'RE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT WORKS WITH THE LAWS OF PHYSICS
11:10 WE'RE IN A WORLD WHERE THE COMBINATION OF ELEMENTS PRODUCE DIFFERENT RESULTS AND WE'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN SAY WE KNOW IT ALL AND
11:20 THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT WE CAN SAY WE DON'T KNOW.
LET ME THANK EACH AND EVERYONE THAT SENT US A COMMENT FOR TORIAN
11:30 NEXT, WE'LL PUT TORIAN 3, THIS PROTOTYPE WORKING FOR ABOUT
11:40 30 DAYS, ONLINE, ON THE INTERNET.
WELL, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU, THIS IS TORIAN 3
11:50 IT'LL GIVE YOU ENERGY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I NEED THE WORLD TO KNOW ABOUT IT
12:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE'LL KEEP IN TOUCH.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTc-CuSb-Y&
And of course, someone saying this is fraud, but not explainning why



I think that all combined may get a cleaner way to produce electricity, with Bob Boyce´s battery charger, Chris´s V6 Generator and other ideas.


My best to all, and hope to find a cleaner way to produce electricity.

Juanito

Statistics: Posted by juanito — Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:51 am

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]]> 2010-09-08T18:38:10-04:00 2010-09-08T18:38:10-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1860&p=25680#p25680 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • to mcorrade iron powder]]> www.chemicalstore.com hope you find.

Statistics: Posted by LEGERMEVAILLANT — Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:38 pm

]]> 2010-04-23T22:42:07-04:00 2010-04-23T22:42:07-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2476&p=25449#p25449 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • ]]> Statistics: Posted by Jehu — Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:42 pm

]]> 2010-04-23T09:55:33-04:00 2010-04-23T09:55:33-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2476&p=25447#p25447 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • ]]>

Links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybn--DsyzBk --- Video

http://www.ocean-star.org/german/presse2.html
http://www.ocean- star.org/center.html
www.haber7.com/haber.php?haber_id=71457
http://www.milligazete.com.tr/index.php ... ws&id=6643
http://www.haberarsivi.com/haber.asp?id=6863
http://www.inndir.com/haberler.php?id=36997
http://samsun.meb.gov.tr/haberler/yenil ... IM=kpy.pdf
http://www.zaman.com.tr/webapp-tr/haber ... rno=130993
http://www.forumca.net/showthread.php?t=63173

Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:55 am

]]> 2010-04-23T09:53:37-04:00 2010-04-23T09:53:37-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2476&p=25446#p25446 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • ]]> http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm

This device claims to produce over-unity --- apparently by means of Homopolar Generators.




http://www.muammer-yildiz.com
http://muammeryldz54.spaces.live.com/Pe ... 02_owner=1



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WO 204/091083

A System which Generates Electrical Power via an Accumulator that Provides the Initial Motion for the System

Muammer YILDIZ

Abstract

This is a portable system that generates electrical power via an accumulator that provides the initial motion for the system. Two batteries are used in this system and the system is kept working via the initial motion provided by these batteries. There is no need for another transformer. This device works using its own mechanism and there is no need for additional devices. In this way, a continuous electrical power generation is possible. This device can work without connecting it to a network so it is possible to use it at places where electricity does not exist. Moreover, when connected to the entry of a building, the need for a network is avoided. This system generates electrical power independent of a network.

Description

A system which generates electrical power via an accumulator that provides the initial motion for the system.

This is a portable system that generates electrical power via an accumulator that provides the initial motion for the system.

Already existing systems can generate electrical power of whose duration depends on the lifetime of the battery. In these systems, the battery has to be reloaded in order to restart the system. 12V electrical power provided by the batteries used in cars are increased to 220 V via transformers.

Two accumulators are used in out invention. The system works on a continuous basis after initial startup via these accumulators. There is no need for another transformer. Our system, which generates electrical power, does not need any other devices and it keeps on generating energy via its own mechanism. Also, the system works without connecting it to a network. Thus, it can be used at any place where no electricity exists. Nevertheless, when this system is connected to the entry of the buildings, there is no need for an additional network. The system can produce electrical power independent of a network.

Below are the explanations of the figures that provide a better understanding about this invention.

Figure 1 --- Schematic view of the system.



Numbers on the schema:
1. --- Accumulator
2. --- Regulator
3. --- Big gear
3/1 --- Starter dynamo
4. --- Small gear
4/1-2. --- Feedback dynamo
5. --- Small gear
5/1-2-3. --- Feedback dynamo
6. ---Contactor
7/1-2. --- Commitatris [Commutator]
8. --- 19 DC input
9. --- 24 DC input
10. --- 580 DC output
11. --- Switch
12. --- Shunt
13. --- Rectifier
14. --- Capacitor
15. --- 2.5 mm cable
16. --- Collctor
17. --- Charcoal [Carbon]
18. --- Fixing clamps (+)
19. --- Fixing clamps (-)
20. --- Lamp
21. --- Conjector
22. --- Starter dynamo
23. --- Feedback dynamo
24. --- AC dynamo
25. --- Magnetic switch
26. --- Pulley
27. --- Pulley
28. --- V pulley
29. --- 380 V current output
30. --- 220 V current output

This invention is a system that starts working via the motion of alternator. There exist two accumulators (1), and the first motion provided by the accumulator is carried to the regulator. Contractor (6) keeps the starter dynamo working by disconnecting the accumulator (1) once the regulator (2) is put in. The voltage coming from the accumulator (1) passes through the regulator and the start dynamo (3/1) starts working and thus the feedback alternators via the gears ( 4/1-2 – 5/1-23-3 ). Feedback dynamo starts sending pure DC current to regulator via shunt (12), capacitor (14) and diode (13). It connects all the current that reaches to the regulator in 4 seconds and sends to the contactor (6). Accumulator (1) is put out by this current that reaches to the regulator. This current is transformed to the started dynamo (3/1). There becomes a transformation within the system. In case of electricity shortage, it keeps on working by using the current generated by the commitatris (7/1).

Via the starter dynamo (3/1), DC is generated in the alternators which are connected to the gears and this current is transformed to the commitatris (7/1-2) and DC voltage is generated at commitatris (7/1-2).

Second System

3 x 24 DC voltage is transformed to the second starter dynamo (22). Once the start dynamo works (22), a feedback dynamo (23) having a pulley system and a feedback dynamo (24) generating alternative current starts working. The feedback dynamo (23) starts feeding back; the feedback dynamo (24) which generates AC is independently generating 6 KV, 18 Amp, 50 Hz current. Moreover, first system produces 24 DC and 580 DC current on its own.

The bigger the gears are, the more current is generated.

This system, which is subject to our invention, can be used at any place. You can use it at places where there exists no electricity, or at places such as villages, cities, buildings, greenhouses where there is not network. Moreover, network is no more a must. Instead of a network, you can use our system. There is no need for gasoline when this system is used in vehicles.


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Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)

Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources

by

J.J. Duarte

This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.

The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.

The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.

Figure 1: Experimental Setup



After a short start procedure, the metallic box together with the lead were fully isolated from the environment (in what concerns other physical contacts like cable connections to the public mains) during the whole duration of the measurements. This situation is in agreement with the description given in the international patent [ WO 2004/091-83 ] mentioned above. Since the energy input entering the apparatus was quite modest, as it will become clear further in this note, the main issue was then to measure the delivered energy output.

I had prepared the power measurements with care, by using reliable instruments I personally brought with me from my own university laboratory. In order to measure the DC voltage directly out of the positive and the negative electrical terminals I used two different voltmeters in parallel, one analog (constructed with permanent magnets and wires) and another digital (that employs electronic circuits to acquire and to display the measured values). These instruments are based on completely different working principles. Also for measuring the DC current coming out the positive terminal and entering back into the negative terminal, I placed two ammeters in series, again one analog and the other digital. If electromagnetic waves would interfere with the measurements, they would disturb one or the other instrument, but not all four pieces at the same time in the same way.

Before starting the experiment, no kind of audible noise was being produced by the apparatus. Also, I measured the voltage differences between the internal and external connection points, and no potential differences between the internal and external connection points, and no potentials were found. So far as I could observe, the apparatus was completely at rest.

The start procedure consisted of connecting a small 12V DC lead-acid accumulator to two contact points inside the box, during a short time interval (see Figure B1 in Appendix B). I observed this time interval with the help of my own watch, and it was more than 5 seconds, but less than 10 seconds. In later calculations it is reasonable to consider this start time interval as being equal to 8 seconds. After that, no other energy input was connected to the box by means of cables.

Immediately after the start procedure I could hear noise as produced by rotating parts inside the box. The inventor communicated that a stabilizing time interval of about 10 minutes should be respected before switching on the load (inverter plus lamp). During this interval it was possible to observe in both voltmeters that DC voltage was being generated on the terminals, which decayed slowly from 12.9 V DC to 12.5 V DC. The displayed values in the analog and digital instruments were in good match. After 10 minutes I switched on the DC inverter.

In the following hours I observed and registered by hand the values of voltages and currents displayed by the instruments. The displayed values were quite stable; therefore I decided to register them first after 15 minutes, later at each half hour.

From time to time I sensed the internal parts in the box with my hands, looking for temperature gradients, but I could not perceive any noticeable temperature rise with respect to the ambient. After 5 hours I took the decision to stop the measurements.

Results are given in Table 1. The displayed values of both voltmeters and both ammeters were in good agreement (in view of the precision of the instruments), as it can be seen in Table 1. For this reason, I dare to conclude that the results I’ve registered are reliable, to the best of my knowledge.

From Table 1 it is possible to see that the generated output voltage and current remained fairly constant during the 5 hours test.

Table 1



Remarks:

So far the experiment has been described. The following comments are my own subjective interpretation.

Power calculations based on the registered values of voltages and currents in Table 1 lead to the conclusion that much more energy is delivered by the box, which was completely isolated from the environment, than the possible initial energy input used to start the process. For instance, the energy output after 5 hours is approximately given by

( 12.25 V ) x ( 2.3 A ) x ( 5 x 60 x 60 s ) = 507 kJ

Therefore, in order to input this same amount of energy into the box during the start procedure, the current that would have been drawn from the small 12 V lead-acid accumulator for the duration of 8 seconds is found to be

507 kJ / ( 12 V ) x ( 8 s ) = 5280 A

which is physically not possible to realize considering the volume of the accumulator and the simple connector contacts shown in Appendix B!

Considering the inventor’s assurance that the apparatus is mainly a mechanical device, and that no kind of energy storage was implemented inside the box, it isn’t clear where the measured excess of energy out of the box is coming from --- whether out of electromagnetic fields or as the result of some anomaly associated with rotating bodies in terms of inertia. This is a most interesting phenomenon, which deserves further attention.

After analyzing the results in detail, together with the drawing and explanations provided by the inventor (see Appendix C), it was possible to recognize from the schematics certain mechanical structures, the so-called homopolar machines, turning at high speed of rotation.

This is a really exciting idea because a link could be established between the apparatus under observation and a famous experiment performed in 1831 by Michael Faraday, the inventor of the electrical machines. In the academic literature this old experiment is known as the Paradox of Faraday’s Disk.

Indeed, many other scientists hypothesize about the possibility of constructing homopolar machines with efficiency above 100% (see, for instance, the paper of Brice DePalma, "On the Possibility of Extraction of Electrical Energy Directly from Space" in the academic journal Speculations in Science and Technology, Sept. 1990, Vol. 13, No. 4…) [ see also: http://www.rexresearch.com/depalma/depalma.htm ]. However, up to the present time nobody has demonstrated in a convincing way a practical application of the principle. Perhaps the inventor has discovered the missing link in these machine; who knows?…

Of course, the straightforward way to check this possibility would be to inspect the contents inside the box. However, the inventor is only willing to allow that after a solid commitment with a research institution or an industrial partner.

So, the next step would be to exclude the possibility of some kind of conventional electrochemical energy processing inside the apparatus. For this purpose the realization of another experiment, similar to the one described above, would be advisable, but not without long run-time of measurements. The results should convince that, indeed, it is not possible to get the same energy output with the best commercially available battery. Therefore, a new experiment may take many days (about 4 or 5) to be executed.

Eindhoven
28 July 2005

Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:53 am

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Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:35 am

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I hope the inventor has body guards 24/7 so Big Oil can't knock him off. He needs to take it to the MSM and bring it out for all to see and have it proven that his design is not a scam.

Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:16 am

]]> 2010-04-23T08:52:37-04:00 2010-04-23T08:52:37-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2476&p=25443#p25443 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • ]]> Sterling Alan reports on Pure Energy Systems News: Turkish inventor, Muammer Yildiz, recently demonstrated his magnet motor that he alleged runs on the power of magnets alone at a University in the Netherlands. The motor is shown turning a fan at a high speed, and no wires can be seen going to the device; then the device is disassembled in front of the group.

Putting it into some perspective, remembering that most of the demonstrations of magnet motors over the years have proved to be frauds, Sterling adds: “How many magnet motor stories have we had here in our news service in the last eight years? Several a month. How many times have we featured a story of of an all-magnet motor being demonstrated at a University? Never.â€

Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:52 am

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video included of actual magnetic motor running on its own power , taken apart and examined and reassembled .

Is this the future of motors?

http://x-journals.com/2010/magnet-motor ... niversity/

Statistics: Posted by Nailer — Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:49 am

]]> 2010-04-19T00:24:58-04:00 2010-04-19T00:24:58-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2475&p=25435#p25435 <![CDATA[PMM's (Permanent Magnet Motors) • ]]> Statistics: Posted by Jehu — Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:24 am

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me and my friend are working on a Permanent magnetic motor concept like the Perendev one (see Links bellow), at these time without positive results. So I decided, to write these in hope to find out what are we doing wrong.

Some Links:






The main idea of our concept was to make one rotor and stator plate and not three (upper Link) like in the original Perendev concept. So to get the offset (by Perendev these is reached by three rotor plates offset) we decided to split the stator in three parts (see photos below) and reach the offset by these way. So we have only one level for our testing purposes. But as we assembled it and do the first test "run" nothing happens, it's not turning backward and even forward. The only thing we find out is that the rotor was harder to turn (effect was like an magnetic brake) So we were really disappointed, have anybody a clue what could be the reason that it's not turning.


SPECIFICATIONS:
Magnets: Neodymium R=20mm L=25mm
Shield: conventional steel thickness=1mm
Stator: Wood thickness=40mm (align and distance of holes NOT 100% accurate)
Rotor: FR-2 (Flame Resistant 2) or Paxolin thickness=30mm

For other Details se pictures below:




Please help us, we are really frustrated because we couldn't get it to work properly and spent a lot of time to find a solution, so you are our last chance. If we are on a wrong way please tell us a better one, because we really believe that we can get some energy (rotation) from the magnetic force (field).

Statistics: Posted by andy83 — Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:09 pm

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