"They're hereeeee!"
and a better view.....
...and so testing begins! this model is rated at 25 ampheres, yes draws 6 amps from the car battery. perfect! no more such thing as "is the alternator working harder messing with my results?" for one, two, and three cell series and semi-series applications.
this is the answer to brute force electrolysis.....no more heating!
it'll run 1.666 volts to each electrolyer in a three cell series wired setup setup @ 25 amps and draw 13 amps from alternator.
it'll run a two cell wired in series at either 1.6V per cell or 2.5V per cell, all at 25 amps and draw 9 amps @ 1.6V per cell or 13 amps @ 2.5 V per cell.
it'll run a single cell @ 2V and draw only 5.6 ampheres.
...rest in peace, "steaming behemoths"
Statistics: Posted by resident_genius — Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:07 pm
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so this power supply is tuneable from 1v to 6 v, thatd make it perfect for a series of three 'lysers in series or a three-cell series stack. (2v per cell)
quite obviously, most people simply running a single brute force 'lyser who dont want the heating and PWM issues, nor the current draw off of the alternator.
it only draws around 6 ampheres! perfect. less than your stereo.
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Statistics: Posted by resident_genius — Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:02 pm
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The hole reasen for copper is it´s low recistance. This idéa was born some months ago and this is somthing i am going to try later on in the concept cell.
Aluminum is alsow a material whit low resistance, but aluminium is a bad choice. It would only last a short perriod.
Now, one way of solving problems whit acid & sour iniverments is coiting (surface treatment). I have seen a lot if idéas on this, and so far the best i know of is gold or platina. A thin layer is sufficient, we are talking microns, so it shouldn cost to much to do this.
So, now, lets imagen that we use 316L steel for the anod, marine graded - and that we use treated copper, solely by doing this we ar lowering the electric recistance several times and offcorse, then we get an increase in production.
This is what we want. Ofcourse your idéa whit a 24V supply is a good idéa for my solution, even a larger generator is on it´s way and a limiter.
There are two ways of limeting the current/amps.
1: Sodiumbicarbonat/KOH solution in the electrolyte.
2: Limitation of the amps.
... or 3: Both 1 & 2.
Control is important, and i whant to control both parts (1 & 2).
Controling the flow in to the engine is another part of the system, so i am not going to talk aboute that now.
This is only aboute the efficiency of the cell. No image at this point and the reasen for this is that i am starting a company whitin a short future and the second part is my partners. I am not alowed to talk about everything at this point even if i am the founder.
But i can show you somthing that are similare to my design. I think you are going to like this
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=11Qn4CGlZp4
Sometimes one can get surpriced that others are doing almoust the same thing as oneself. But it is a smal world after all. hehe!
Statistics: Posted by Hydrogenworld — Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:44 am
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other than that, just the solution touching the copper wire will cause a bigtime corrosion of the wire, copper is soft like the zinc of a motoboat's sacrificial anode, it will be eaten away slowly in this manner. yes, only oxygen will be formed on that side, however please understand that copper doesnt "rust", but it rusts- it oxidizes. i would love to see more of your design, even if just a shoddy paint sketch.
Statistics: Posted by resident_genius — Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:04 am
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I am going to describe it for you as good as i can. The principle is an outer and inner core that consist´s of 2 anods and 2 katods. The basic for this is 316L wire and copper wire, yes, copper wire. We know: PANK (positiv anod & negativ katod) and since tha oxygen collects at the anod it should be safe too use copper for the katod (in teory)
Now imagen a spiralcell design where the inner and outer core "interacts" - mounted in such a way that the anod in the inner core has contact whit the katod in the outer core (3 points of contact), and since i use wire i have alot of surface area - 100/1 more than whit plates.
Now, i am using this in a "battery construction" wich concists of 6 inner and outer cors - every cell is one par. So i now have a total of 12 cells in my battery (6 pars). And the power supply should look like this:
1,24-2V - 20-30A per cell, so in other words, 2V-30A x 12 = 24V-30A or 720Watts.
Now the great thing whit ur card is the internal buildup, an increase of power supply, this is good.
The question is this; How many cell´s can one card drive? (remember 12 cells for my "battery") and how can a get my hands on this solution and at what price?
Statistics: Posted by Hydrogenworld — Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:56 pm
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imagine, a 15A load on you alternator turns into a 2v, 40A current thru the 'lyser. this is huge bnreakthrough in my opinion, look at what a smacks is now possibly of doing!
Statistics: Posted by resident_genius — Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:00 am
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i dropped the company an email since they were business to business only, i got a phone call from the philadelphia area supplier, who wanted to know who i was, what i was doing, what i needed, and after basic electrolysis theory, i delved into basic HHO interaction as a supplementation and how it affects the engine. i told him what i needed and what i was working with, why the cells got hot etc etc.
he sounded very interested, had me email him all the necessary specifications on what i wanted/needed, and said he'd have some units hand selected for my application and ship them out.
here are some specs on the 25A rated model:
-88.9% effecient (95% effecient @ 5VDC)
-no need for a heat sink
-10-14DCV input
-remote on/off
-2" x 1.25" x .3" so tiny profile
-fixed frequency @ 500kHZ
-@ 2VDC, it will only draw 5.6A from the battery/alternator
this seems to be the solution for brute force electrolysers!
the best pic i could get is here:
Statistics: Posted by resident_genius — Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:21 pm
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