Tom
Cape Cod
Statistics: Posted by a3holerman — Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:38 am
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The Buck circuit does indeed perform a transform; in fact it is often referred to as a DC Transformer. The sustained output current from the inductor is several times greater than the pulsed input current. T=L/R The input "charging" pulse sees a higher impedance than the inductor during discharge, therefore a brief charging pulse results in an extended discharge current pulse.
It is not intended for the inductor to reach magnetic saturation, nor is it ever desireable. Magnetic saturation of the inductor in the Buck circuit would result in heavy losses.
Temperature does indeed affect the conductivity of the electrolyte solution so therefore, a certain amount of coincidental heating is productive. However, once so much heat is produced that the electrolyzer becomes a "steaming behemoth" then the losses are very considerable.
You have posted some strong opinions which are, unfortunately, quite incorrect. The Non-Isolated Buck DC to DC converter circuit is well established as a highly efficient and very reliable means of "transforming" power that is very widely used in low voltage power distribution systems and all computers being produced today. It has, without any doubt, proven its utility.
The Buck circuit is not intended as an enhancement to the Meyer Non-Electrolysis Cell, but is rather intended to increase the efficiency of the simple automotive electrolyzer booster which relies upon conventional electrolysis.
Contrary to your expressed opinion, Meyer had numerous patents relating to a Non-Electrolysis Resonant Cell which utilized high voltage monopolar pulses feeding an LC Circuit coupled to the Non-Electrolysis Cell. In order to develop the high voltage needed across the cell electrodes it is absolutely necessary to insulate one or more of the electrodes with a high voltage dielectric. Only then will anyone attain the several KV needed, with a superimposed resonant waveform, which will account for the small "milliampere" reactive current "through" the cell.
I do concur with your belief that "Meyer was not your buddy." He was a very wily man who used deceptive language to obfuscate the simplicity of his cell and its attendant circuitry.
Regarding the Buck Converter and whether or not it will increase the efficiency of ordinary electrolysis in the series electrolyser operating at 14 Volts, comparisons must be made. I have done that and can vouch for the truth. I therefore invite any who may desire to put it to the test to do so. The results will be gratifying.
Statistics: Posted by SeaMonkey — Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:18 am
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1. Buck boost is a method of recapturing energy during a TRANSFORM. We are not doing a transform in the circuit and a inductor is not a transformer, it is a saturable reactor.
2. Current is the component of electricity that is splitting the water, not voltage. Current is also what saturates the inductor - work lost.
3. By taking voltage and current out of phase, you send the current back around the loop and each time there is an energy loss.
4. By adding the recycle of the diode, you create the illusion of an energy gain but in reality, you just have less net loss.
5. Current, not voltage is what cracks water in brute force electrolysis. Current not voltage is what saturates the inductor. Notice any bubbles coming from your inductor? Me either.
6. The reaction is never going to be greater than the action. I.e., if it does not knock you over backwards to shoot the gun, getting hit by the bullet will not knock you over backwards either. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The inductor is a "reactor".
7. As previously stated in a post, heat is not a waste.
8. The quickest way to fool yourself on power consumption is to use a pulsed circuit. It is foolish to measure without using a good RMS AND Fourier analysis.
9. The Russian plasma electrolysis Dr. ??? (can never Russian names) wrote a nice piece regarding PWM and how people fool themselves and each other on his website. Find it, read it.
10. For every H2O molecule that splits, there is a tiny molecular boil that takes place between the H and O atoms. Just because you can't see it with your eye does not mean that it did not happen. The hotter the water, the less energy required to produce that boil which is what separates the two different atoms.
11. The whole inductor thing is busy work for people that know nothing about electricity or what Meyer had going.
12. The two "pick up coils" in Meyer's patent are the two PRIMARIES of a common flyback transformer. The PRIMARY in the drawing is the secondary of that flyback. See how he reversed it to trick you?
He patented the entire spectrum of electrolysis. Most people are not sharp enough to sort out one of the method or apparatus of a single process, much less separate them into the various methods and apparatuses. It is like looking at a haystack in the mirror and then looking for the needle.
Unfortunately, that worked on most people. Meyer was not your buddy.
Statistics: Posted by waterboy — Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:43 am
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It is possible to "put to useful work" generating HydrOxy the excess power in the pulses, rather than wasting it as excessive heating of the electrolyte.
Place a high current inductor in the wiring to the electrolyzer and a free wheeling high current schottky diode across the wiring, in the proper polarity to discharge the inductor when the pulse is off. The inductor can be hand made using a reasonably sized ferrite toroid that is wound with about 20 turns of heavy wire capable of carrying the current you intend to drive the cell with. The Schottky Diode in a TO-220 or TO-247 package that is rated at 60 Amperes/ 40 Volts would cost about $3.00.
Set the Pulse Width Modulator frequency to 10 KHz minimum, up to 20 KHz, and the total circuit as described above will function as a "buck" switching power supply to provide continuous current to the electrolyzer; Pulses from the PWM will energize the inductor and the electrolyzer, then after the pulse has ended the inductor will discharge into the electrolyzer sustaining current flow until the next pulse. Set the Pulse Width for the desired Amperage into the electrolyzer, and vary it as conditions change to increase/decrease current on the fly.
This will increase the efficiency of your electrolyzer while minimizing the excessive heating that represents wasted power.
Here's a to a tutorial on how it works. For the electrolyzer application the capacitor shown in the circut is unnecessary.
Statistics: Posted by SeaMonkey — Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:03 pm
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are you getting 10+ mpg increase?
that is my goal... 10mpg...but mine will be going in a Mercedes 190D (diesel) with a 5-speed...that already gets 34mpg on biodiesel
Statistics: Posted by huck — Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:38 pm
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