The resonance frequency of water ?

[stanlives]

So what is the pure resonance of water ? I had read on here 2.2G hz same as a micro wave ?

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/c ... m03067.htm

[stanlives]

this guy has some insight....

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Ma ... .Ph.r.html

[Bob Boyce]

It's not as simple as generating a single set and forget frequency... It requires tuning to the water used.

Bob

[waterbard]

Tuning to the water, or tuning to the contaminates in the water?

[stanlives]

the contaminates of the water may change the frequency because you have changed the property for which you are trying to resonate....but the job is still the same to break the h2o bond with resonance....


holy s%#^ bob replied one of my posts...Im not a total moron

[waterbard]

Bob replies to a lot of morons posts, look at some of mine...

[wadi]

G'day, here is an interesting read on resonance.
http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/circuits.html
Notice the circuit? Look familiar?



Thats from stan myers patent. Now stan was using the toroidal coil because he was using tap water, and it has more resistance than an electrolyte solution.

From about figure 7 onwards in the resonance link it gets very interesting regarding natural frequency. So theres a diode to stop voltage and current going backwards (AC), however in the resonance link it is shown using ac power input.

But at the begining of link, it shows how the natural frequency of the circuit can be found by storing electrical energy then flicking a switch so that it discharges into the inductor.

So the capacitor is the water cell, stores energy, released at natural frequency, repeat until the internal resistance stops it. So wouldnt we be looking to design something that would input a voltage, detect the frequency of the circuit then continue bombarding the capacitor each time adjusting towards the natural frequency?
This wouldn't depend upon the dimensions of the cell (however a non-electrolyte solution would require higher voltages).

I haven't made anything, but I've been following all threads closely and hope to do something in the near future, but its hard being a uni student = cashstrapped.

[Bob Boyce]

[stanlives]

[Bob Boyce]

[stanlives]

[decisive]

[hypersoniq]

I would think 2 frequencies are required

1) to break the molecular H-O "covalent" bond
and
2) to break the inter-molecular "Hydrogen" bond

Maybe there is a better way to deliver this frequency? a frequency embedded in the power source might not be the best way. I run EDM machines at work and the one of the goals of the main circuit is electrolysis suppression. They claim to do this by having the "on" and "off" cycles of power applied to the wire be very short.

I would like to try 2 different methods
1) RF delivery (either 2 RF sources, one for each frequency...or frequency domain multiplexing to embed both in a carrier wave)
2) Ultrasonic transducers attached to the electrodes

any ideas?

[stanlives]

I think thats what Bob is saying we are setting up

one Freq in a square wave....so actually you have 2 frequencies going on....

the frequency of the pulses in the positive pulse of a slower square wave....

bob correct ?

[Joseph]

a few comments, an idea I'm trying and 1 question:

1) I just don't understand why everyone isn't standardizing with distilled water.. I'm paying 64 cents (US) per gallon for it here in TN and I hear that Sears has a water distiller that is pretty affordable too.

2) The frequency I've heard of is 42.8K and it's octaves which puts the first audible one down at 10,700Hz. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the frequency can be reflected in sonic/ultrasonic in addition to electrical. I have been assuming that this is the frequency to separate the O from the H2, leaving orthohydrogen and oxygen behind - unless you are using ferrous electrodes which introduces a whole other variable to a hydrogen system, by catalyzing to parahydrogen which of course give less bang.

3) Multiple resources I found as early as January of this year name platinum as the best electrode because it is a non-wearable catalyst in the system. In other words if you use platinum or another of those closely related precious metals (break out that periodic chart boys and girls!) you don't have to carry around acids or whatever else seems to work. You also don't have to change out the electrodes... you just need to carry around distilled water - no biggie and very safe.

4) Let's go pulse!! I can't wait to try out some of this pulse stuff on the unit I'm running. I don't think the following rendition will do much, but today I crudely setup the feed for my electrolysis reactor in a new way. I found an 8-12V pulsing signal that seems to pulse for most of the elapsed time during each engine revolution. I'm using that pulse to kick open a relay to feed 13.2 volts to the reactor. Since I already have a base of hydrogen and oxygen flowing via the ultrasonic processor before it gets to the electrolysis reactor I wasn't worried about dead spots, just hoping to tag some high spots. If the relay lasts a few days (I see their duty cycle is expected to be 100,000 switches and it's not loading more than 7 amps - I'm optimistic), I'll probably try putting a junk yard ignition coil and resistor in place next to raise the voltage to about 11,000v as it is fed in pulses from the relay. My hypothesis is that I will be able to feel extra torque and thus fuel efficiency at particular RPMs and know by my tach exactly what frequencies I want to ultimately create electronically. In other words if I've found a sweet spot, then after a moment of cruising at that sweet spot, I should have to back off of the throttle in order to not run over it. Dividing the "whispered" number by 2 a few more times for the lower frequency octaves I get the following guesses for sweet spot RPMs: 5350, 2675, 1337.5, 668.75. In the '88 300Z I'm thinking that 1337.5 will be my most easily tested hypothetical. Once this frequency is confirmed and created consistently I would think that a multistrike ignition system would probably be the right animal to create the other frequency within the pulses - you have to forgive my "off the shelf" mentality although it does make it easy to argue away patent defenders. Hopefully this whole pulse electrolysis thing will get me past the 60-61% MPG increase ceiling that I've been at for a while with all of my aquatune enabled vehicles. Here's a link if you are curious:



5) Finally, does anyone have any suggestions on setting up my own pulse measurement tool? Are there multimeters out there that give you the frequency of an AC signal which would suffice for this? Really though, we need to know the duration of the up and downtime as they won't likely be equivalent. And then, of course there's the pulses within pulses deal... Is there such a thing as a cheap oscilloscope?

Onward,
Joseph