Cryptonic26:
YOU ARE CORRECT.
now that this point has been made and validated, there are other concepts to consider.
heat loss is evident. electrical resistance is a loss. mechanical conversions from combustion is a loss. there is loss everywhere. "water seeks the lowest point" "SH%T rolls DOWNHILL" stuff like that.
so keep in mind that while there are obviously losses in EVERYTHING, if you can take something that people have and DON'T WANT, and turn it into something desirable and do whant, then there's a way to "sorta stabilize" the economy. however this must be done to NOT stomp on the toes of those larger than yourself. i have done stupid things in my life, as we ALL have. now this system is NOT perfect, but works for me.
waste streams are not such a crappy deal if you know what to look for.
the Hydrogen production is something i toyed with, and now a partner (business) wants to run it in his car. we settled in on a design to run it on, and we'll see what happens.
and you are correct in saying that i have NOT found some time/dimensional warp hole or somthing like that. if i did, i'd be gone. someplace else.
material cost is the one thing you can truely depend on. it is variable, and is totally negotiable. unwanted things are FREE PROFIT.
see to really realize a hydrogen infrastructure or hydrogen economy, you MUST see it differently. if the fuel you make is in a LINEAR LINE:
Example:
COAL POWER PLANT-> YOUR HOUSE-> ELECTROLYSIS-> HYDROGEN ->YOUR CAR ->WATER OUT TAILPIPE. END OF STRING.
but IF it is changed....
RAW MATERIALS + WATER=POWER, AND SENT TO GRID, LEFOVERS SOLD-> LEFTOVERS, RE-USED, AND MAKE HYDROGEN AND FERTILIZER-> HYDROGEN RUN CARS-> WATER OUT TAILPIPE, FERTILIZER TO CROPS AND SUCH-> CROPS ARE RAW MATERIALS, AND METALS RE-USED CONTINUOUSLY-> RAW MATERIALS +WATER =POWER, AND SENT TO GRID........
get it?
see when the cycle can make a COMPLETE CIRCLE, only then do you TRUELY have a RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE.
AlaskaStar
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by Cryptonic26 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:40 am
Wonderful, I'm happy that you put this out here.
My only concern was that there were too many people here trying to use your model of the holy grail. I know you never said say it was real over unity (in the energy sense), but as you have said.. the power of suggestion is strong.
or maybe you HAVE said this and I missed it? If that's the case, then I apologize to everyone for bringing my bias here.
I do think this IS very close to the holy grail though, minimizing waste is the first step to stabilizing the massive under unity we have between resource and product. The more we close that gap, the closer we are to what we truly want.
That said, I want to stifle the stipulation that I'm some sort of holier-than-thou mainstream science advocate right now. (I know you're all thinking it
)
I'm well aware that the whole lot is trial and error, and I accept the truth that observational error is made on a daily basis from both big names and small alike.
I would love nothing more than to topple thermodynamics right over, But there is at least SOME truth there, and we cant ignore its experience entirely until a solid argument is made to contradict it's collection of 'evidences.
Fair 'nuff?
My only concern was that there were too many people here trying to use your model of the holy grail. I know you never said say it was real over unity (in the energy sense), but as you have said.. the power of suggestion is strong.
or maybe you HAVE said this and I missed it? If that's the case, then I apologize to everyone for bringing my bias here.
I do think this IS very close to the holy grail though, minimizing waste is the first step to stabilizing the massive under unity we have between resource and product. The more we close that gap, the closer we are to what we truly want.
That said, I want to stifle the stipulation that I'm some sort of holier-than-thou mainstream science advocate right now. (I know you're all thinking it
)
I'm well aware that the whole lot is trial and error, and I accept the truth that observational error is made on a daily basis from both big names and small alike.
I would love nothing more than to topple thermodynamics right over, But there is at least SOME truth there, and we cant ignore its experience entirely until a solid argument is made to contradict it's collection of 'evidences.
Fair 'nuff?
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by AlaskaStar » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:12 am
sorry this is long...but explains a few good points (in my opinion).
Cryptonic26:
"but as you have said.. the power of suggestion is strong."
and on that note, the power of suggestion IS strong.
Cryptonic26
"I do think this IS very close to the holy grail though, minimizing waste is the first step to stabilizing the massive under unity we have between resource and product. The more we close that gap, the closer we are to what we truly want."
on this note, the waste stream is our largest resource. and our most valuable resource. not only monetarily, but in the energy forum in general, specifically nailing on the pollution factor in mining and maufacturing.
look at our municipal dumps. there are the products of our lives, the processed metals, plastics, glass, purified almost everything. and not to mention the organic matter than when properly processed makes flammable, clean burning gasses.
maybe the mining industry of today has it all wrong. think of all the pre-processed ore that is refined and such just lying around being burid with a mix of everything else...and just sitting there, the money has already been spent to get it to the shelves of the consumer stores so that we can buy it (whatever it may be) in the packaging, and use it, and when we are done, throw it away. there is a HUGE resource here, and nobody thinks twice on capitolising on it. expense for the recycling of this pre-porcessed stuff is NOT as expensive as one may be lead to think. more than 3/4 of the cost is already paid for! it was in the original mining, and the refining, and purification of things like metals, pop cans, plastics, and such forth. heck! look at the amount of paper in there! what about the organic matter? that when processed right, makes gasses that can power our cars, heat our houses, and such forth. sorry to say, but over 100 years of dumping, our money making and energy crisis surviving future is not in the oil wells, it's not in space, it's in our trash cans, it's in our landfills, and in every city's back yard. all over the earth.
want to make money, heat your home, and reduce pollution all at the same time? go mine the old dump for hte materials. look up the energy and pollution expenses for something as simple as mining and refining ALUMINUM. now look at iron, steel, plastic, rubber, glass...the list goes on. now look at taking the expense that has already been paid for, and got grab it up, and do something with it. it's no joke, and us humans are too lazy to see it, but there's a TON of cash waiting for you in doing this.
economically it makes sense. get those guys who desperately need a job, and give them little over minimum wage or better (whatever can be afforded, plus medical benefits and some vacation time-paid of course) and put them to work. people need jobs, and desperate people can get a job at minimum wage PLUS production numbers. so with incentives like that, people will go to work, and get the job done. the job is sorting everything by material type. metals plastics, and organic matter. after they are separated that far, the hard work is done. then each material is sent off to be separated further and re-processed, molded, shredded for raw material, and sold for what the raw stuff is worth, but already processed. now the price value of stuff goes up, and makes the jobs of those working more worth the money and can afford the wages to increase so that the people are NOT starving and below poverty level.
where i live, in Alaska which is the Matanuska Susitna Borough, which is the size of Vermont (yes the size of a WHOLE STATE) and yet it is nothing more than a "county", the population here is 60,000 people. and the poverty level is over 85%. this is not good. these people make over $10.00 per hour, and the minimum wage is only $7.15 per hour, and yet at $10.00 per hour, they are still in the "severe" poverty level. the Unemployment center states that "to make enough to amek a living, and just barely get ahead in this area, with the cost of living, one would have to make $16.00 per hour for a SINGLE person, and 1/2 that again for each dependant thereafter."
that $16.00 mark is more than twice the minimum wage here, and yet the resource here are phenomenal. Dutch Harbor (little fishing town) announced that after a successful test of a small "geothermal power plant, they are planning to build a mega scale $8 MILLION geothermal power plant" there are a bunch of volcanoes in this area. makes sense.
and also nobody wants a windmill farm in their backyard...ok, so what about the Aleution Chain? (string of islands on the southwestern part of the state curving toward russia and even crossing the International Date Line) the aleution islands have extreme winds and they rarely ever stop (the winds) they blow constantly. these islands have LITTLE OR NO POPULATION. the islands are close enough to string power lines, and are out to sea enough that they could zap water constantly, and ships could pull up and refill on hydrogen and bring it back to the mainland, like the oil barges do, but not an oil barge. a hydrogen barge.
simple ideas. keep it simple.
AlaskaStar
Cryptonic26:
"but as you have said.. the power of suggestion is strong."
and on that note, the power of suggestion IS strong.
Cryptonic26
"I do think this IS very close to the holy grail though, minimizing waste is the first step to stabilizing the massive under unity we have between resource and product. The more we close that gap, the closer we are to what we truly want."
on this note, the waste stream is our largest resource. and our most valuable resource. not only monetarily, but in the energy forum in general, specifically nailing on the pollution factor in mining and maufacturing.
look at our municipal dumps. there are the products of our lives, the processed metals, plastics, glass, purified almost everything. and not to mention the organic matter than when properly processed makes flammable, clean burning gasses.
maybe the mining industry of today has it all wrong. think of all the pre-processed ore that is refined and such just lying around being burid with a mix of everything else...and just sitting there, the money has already been spent to get it to the shelves of the consumer stores so that we can buy it (whatever it may be) in the packaging, and use it, and when we are done, throw it away. there is a HUGE resource here, and nobody thinks twice on capitolising on it. expense for the recycling of this pre-porcessed stuff is NOT as expensive as one may be lead to think. more than 3/4 of the cost is already paid for! it was in the original mining, and the refining, and purification of things like metals, pop cans, plastics, and such forth. heck! look at the amount of paper in there! what about the organic matter? that when processed right, makes gasses that can power our cars, heat our houses, and such forth. sorry to say, but over 100 years of dumping, our money making and energy crisis surviving future is not in the oil wells, it's not in space, it's in our trash cans, it's in our landfills, and in every city's back yard. all over the earth.
want to make money, heat your home, and reduce pollution all at the same time? go mine the old dump for hte materials. look up the energy and pollution expenses for something as simple as mining and refining ALUMINUM. now look at iron, steel, plastic, rubber, glass...the list goes on. now look at taking the expense that has already been paid for, and got grab it up, and do something with it. it's no joke, and us humans are too lazy to see it, but there's a TON of cash waiting for you in doing this.
economically it makes sense. get those guys who desperately need a job, and give them little over minimum wage or better (whatever can be afforded, plus medical benefits and some vacation time-paid of course) and put them to work. people need jobs, and desperate people can get a job at minimum wage PLUS production numbers. so with incentives like that, people will go to work, and get the job done. the job is sorting everything by material type. metals plastics, and organic matter. after they are separated that far, the hard work is done. then each material is sent off to be separated further and re-processed, molded, shredded for raw material, and sold for what the raw stuff is worth, but already processed. now the price value of stuff goes up, and makes the jobs of those working more worth the money and can afford the wages to increase so that the people are NOT starving and below poverty level.
where i live, in Alaska which is the Matanuska Susitna Borough, which is the size of Vermont (yes the size of a WHOLE STATE) and yet it is nothing more than a "county", the population here is 60,000 people. and the poverty level is over 85%. this is not good. these people make over $10.00 per hour, and the minimum wage is only $7.15 per hour, and yet at $10.00 per hour, they are still in the "severe" poverty level. the Unemployment center states that "to make enough to amek a living, and just barely get ahead in this area, with the cost of living, one would have to make $16.00 per hour for a SINGLE person, and 1/2 that again for each dependant thereafter."
that $16.00 mark is more than twice the minimum wage here, and yet the resource here are phenomenal. Dutch Harbor (little fishing town) announced that after a successful test of a small "geothermal power plant, they are planning to build a mega scale $8 MILLION geothermal power plant" there are a bunch of volcanoes in this area. makes sense.
and also nobody wants a windmill farm in their backyard...ok, so what about the Aleution Chain? (string of islands on the southwestern part of the state curving toward russia and even crossing the International Date Line) the aleution islands have extreme winds and they rarely ever stop (the winds) they blow constantly. these islands have LITTLE OR NO POPULATION. the islands are close enough to string power lines, and are out to sea enough that they could zap water constantly, and ships could pull up and refill on hydrogen and bring it back to the mainland, like the oil barges do, but not an oil barge. a hydrogen barge.
simple ideas. keep it simple.
AlaskaStar
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by golden_guppy » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:52 am
Thanks for the latest updates AlaskaStar.
More than a few things to work on there i'd say. I wonder if you used the example of a coal powerstation on purpose?
I figured i'd have a sniff around, and see what i could find out, which turned out to be quite a lot since i have a coal fired power station near by.
Anyway, here goes.
There are vast quantities of PFA (Pulvarised Fuel Ash or Fly Ash) produced from burning coal in fire stations. They make so much of it at my local power plant that they fill gravel pits up with the stuff. To be more specific, since they have a wonderfull web site with all the details, the one power station produces about 1 million tonnes per year!!!
So, the next question i had was this: What exactly is PFA made up of? Again, the friendly guys at the local plant provided me with a full chemical makeup. This is obvioulsy a very general guide, as it will change daily depending on what sources of coal are being burnt.
46% SiO2 (Silicon Dioxide or Silica)
25% Al2O3 (Aluminium Oxide or Alumina)
7-15% LOI (Loss On Ignition - unburnt carbonaceous material)
3% CaO (Calcium Oxide or Lime)
1-2% MgO (Magnesium Oxide)
1-2% TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide or Titania)
1-2% K2O (Potassium Oxide)
1-2% Na2O (Sodium Oxide or Soda)
1% SO3 (Sulphur Trioxide)
Aparently, a lot of this stuff is used globaly in construction (ring any bells) by mixing it with cement. Unfortunately, the LOI content is too high in the PFA from this plant, so there's no comercial use for it. Hence it gets dumped as a slurrey in the local gravel pits
So then i got to wondering what that lot would do in a nice KOH solution.
With all of these oxides i should be able to kick off some metal displacement reactions too.
The problem i have here is that i have absolutely no idea what would happen. Far too many diffrerent reactions going on at once. I guess i will have to have a play and find out.
More than a few things to work on there i'd say. I wonder if you used the example of a coal powerstation on purpose?
I figured i'd have a sniff around, and see what i could find out, which turned out to be quite a lot since i have a coal fired power station near by.
Anyway, here goes.
There are vast quantities of PFA (Pulvarised Fuel Ash or Fly Ash) produced from burning coal in fire stations. They make so much of it at my local power plant that they fill gravel pits up with the stuff. To be more specific, since they have a wonderfull web site with all the details, the one power station produces about 1 million tonnes per year!!!
So, the next question i had was this: What exactly is PFA made up of? Again, the friendly guys at the local plant provided me with a full chemical makeup. This is obvioulsy a very general guide, as it will change daily depending on what sources of coal are being burnt.
46% SiO2 (Silicon Dioxide or Silica)
25% Al2O3 (Aluminium Oxide or Alumina)
7-15% LOI (Loss On Ignition - unburnt carbonaceous material)
3% CaO (Calcium Oxide or Lime)
1-2% MgO (Magnesium Oxide)
1-2% TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide or Titania)
1-2% K2O (Potassium Oxide)
1-2% Na2O (Sodium Oxide or Soda)
1% SO3 (Sulphur Trioxide)
Aparently, a lot of this stuff is used globaly in construction (ring any bells) by mixing it with cement. Unfortunately, the LOI content is too high in the PFA from this plant, so there's no comercial use for it. Hence it gets dumped as a slurrey in the local gravel pits
So then i got to wondering what that lot would do in a nice KOH solution.
With all of these oxides i should be able to kick off some metal displacement reactions too.
The problem i have here is that i have absolutely no idea what would happen. Far too many diffrerent reactions going on at once. I guess i will have to have a play and find out.
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Your right about the garbage
by GarbageMan » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:31 am
Hello all. Excellent thread- I love a mystery. Many-many great ideas on h2 production, but MAN- when A.S. mentioned trash and the problems our Country will be facing in the near future it got me going.
Think of 2nd. law of thermodynamics- "Matter (energy) cannot be created or destroyed"... just change it into something else. What do we do? We dig or pump stuff out of the ground to make metals and fuel, we grow things and spin them to make clothes, we take stuff- put wads of energy into it- we get stuff we want. THEN- it gets thrown away.
Definition: 'Away', an imaginary place where people throw things. (Cha-Ching$)
Here's one for you- forget separation, forget landfilling (no-brainer), forget incineration. What if we did the same thing to garbage that we did to the raw materials in the first place? Energy IN- what we want OUT.
And....it just may be that what we want coming out has a little extra energy left over. (cha-ching, cha-ching!) remember the hint about how sulfuric is made?
PLASMA Baby! Call it 'elemental recycling' People are already trying this.
You heat up garbage so hot-so fast in an ion-cloud you basically break the various materials up into their respective components. Your NOT burning it! -in the sense of combustion in the presence of O2. Off the top you get a mixture of gasses (H2 in good quantity....hey that stuff burns!) On the bottom you get a "ceramicky-glassified-slag" puddle that's vastly smaller in mass than what you put in. Building material? Road base? Abrasives market? And loads of thermal energy. Figure about 2KBTU/Lb., 1K ton/day for a small landfill. YIKES....that's a shiat-load of energy that's being BURIED!!! Lot's more stuff I won't go into but way cool.
Landfills? no,no.....GAS STATIONS!
You guys get the damn car thing working- I'll figure out how to Out-Lie politicians and lobby the waste industry!
P.S.- good tid-bit you may have missed. Endothermic reaction. A.S.'s water got Cooler when catalyist was dropped in. Only so many reations that will absorb heat! Especially with other clues/materials mentioned.
thanks for letting me blab. -J
Think of 2nd. law of thermodynamics- "Matter (energy) cannot be created or destroyed"... just change it into something else. What do we do? We dig or pump stuff out of the ground to make metals and fuel, we grow things and spin them to make clothes, we take stuff- put wads of energy into it- we get stuff we want. THEN- it gets thrown away.
Definition: 'Away', an imaginary place where people throw things. (Cha-Ching$)
Here's one for you- forget separation, forget landfilling (no-brainer), forget incineration. What if we did the same thing to garbage that we did to the raw materials in the first place? Energy IN- what we want OUT.
And....it just may be that what we want coming out has a little extra energy left over. (cha-ching, cha-ching!) remember the hint about how sulfuric is made?
PLASMA Baby! Call it 'elemental recycling' People are already trying this.
You heat up garbage so hot-so fast in an ion-cloud you basically break the various materials up into their respective components. Your NOT burning it! -in the sense of combustion in the presence of O2. Off the top you get a mixture of gasses (H2 in good quantity....hey that stuff burns!) On the bottom you get a "ceramicky-glassified-slag" puddle that's vastly smaller in mass than what you put in. Building material? Road base? Abrasives market? And loads of thermal energy. Figure about 2KBTU/Lb., 1K ton/day for a small landfill. YIKES....that's a shiat-load of energy that's being BURIED!!! Lot's more stuff I won't go into but way cool.
Landfills? no,no.....GAS STATIONS!
You guys get the damn car thing working- I'll figure out how to Out-Lie politicians and lobby the waste industry!
P.S.- good tid-bit you may have missed. Endothermic reaction. A.S.'s water got Cooler when catalyist was dropped in. Only so many reations that will absorb heat! Especially with other clues/materials mentioned.
thanks for letting me blab. -J
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by Dan Dan » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:08 pm
Alaskastar, all of this is extremely intrusting, but could you share with us some prototype designes/diagrames of that water car that you were planning to build your buisness friend? i know its alot to ask for, but it would help sooo much!
Wake up America.
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by AlaskaStar » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:53 pm
i applied for a space here to post stuff...and i'll try to post pics of the car. they are not the best photos, as my business friend took them. (i think his camera isn't very good, or is only a top resolution of 600 pixels..somtehing like that.) so anyway the pictures will be up soon.
have to find some parts today.
AlaskaStar
have to find some parts today.
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by golden_guppy » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:51 am
The trouble is, i dont think we are looking for just one reaction.
I believe we are going to have several symultaneous reactions taking place, but still leading to the same result.
The only way i can see to make any further headway is to get our hands dirty and experiment. As long as you keep the tests very small and low volume, it should be safe enough. That way, even if you do stumble across the holy grail of OU, you shouldn't blow yourself up in the process.
..as an aside, i have also looked into recyclying aluminium cans, since we all probably have an ample supply of raw material. On paper, it would appear i have a process that produces hydrogen as a 'waste' product at almost every stage, and you still end up with a very pure final product to sell on. I have the goods on order for some real world tests, so if things work as planned, i'll setup a project page and let you see how its going.
At the end of the day, i think we are getting too bogged down on AlaskaStar's process(es). He himself has stated many times that there are many ways to crack this egg. I know Thrivel et all were looking at ways to produce enough hydrogen on the fly to run a car. This seems to be the ultimate goal for a lot of us.
Personally, i'm looking at a stationary process that just produces nice pure hydrogen, and runs in the garage. Because its pure hydrogen, you dont have any of the storage problems you get with hydroxy. So you have this beast pumping out hydrogen 24x7. Even if the volume isnt that high, because its easily storable, you just keep a tank nicely full. This could then be used in fuel cells to power your home, run a genny, or even fill up a gas powered car. Look at it this way. How often do you fill up a tank of gas now? Even with a fairly low hydrogen production rate you could still fill a couple of tanks a week if the process is running all day, every day
Then again, if we could get a fool proof way of seperating hydroxy out into pure hydrogen and oxygen, we could do the same thing with our existing electrolysers.
Anyway, enough ramblings from me. I just think that if all of the frequent viewiers of this thread actually started experimenting, instead of just reading what others were doing, we'd get results a lot faster.
I believe we are going to have several symultaneous reactions taking place, but still leading to the same result.
The only way i can see to make any further headway is to get our hands dirty and experiment. As long as you keep the tests very small and low volume, it should be safe enough. That way, even if you do stumble across the holy grail of OU, you shouldn't blow yourself up in the process.
..as an aside, i have also looked into recyclying aluminium cans, since we all probably have an ample supply of raw material. On paper, it would appear i have a process that produces hydrogen as a 'waste' product at almost every stage, and you still end up with a very pure final product to sell on. I have the goods on order for some real world tests, so if things work as planned, i'll setup a project page and let you see how its going.
At the end of the day, i think we are getting too bogged down on AlaskaStar's process(es). He himself has stated many times that there are many ways to crack this egg. I know Thrivel et all were looking at ways to produce enough hydrogen on the fly to run a car. This seems to be the ultimate goal for a lot of us.
Personally, i'm looking at a stationary process that just produces nice pure hydrogen, and runs in the garage. Because its pure hydrogen, you dont have any of the storage problems you get with hydroxy. So you have this beast pumping out hydrogen 24x7. Even if the volume isnt that high, because its easily storable, you just keep a tank nicely full. This could then be used in fuel cells to power your home, run a genny, or even fill up a gas powered car. Look at it this way. How often do you fill up a tank of gas now? Even with a fairly low hydrogen production rate you could still fill a couple of tanks a week if the process is running all day, every day
Then again, if we could get a fool proof way of seperating hydroxy out into pure hydrogen and oxygen, we could do the same thing with our existing electrolysers.
Anyway, enough ramblings from me. I just think that if all of the frequent viewiers of this thread actually started experimenting, instead of just reading what others were doing, we'd get results a lot faster.
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by AlaskaStar » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:28 am
I SECOND THAT MOTION!
I'm in Favor!
Lets get it passed!
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now we can all sit here at the keyboards and be mouthy and demanding, or we can get out there (away from the computer) and start experimenting with this WEALTH of information. it would more than definitely be worth it. thats how i got most of my information. i asked around and nobody here had a clue what i was talking about, and referred me to the libraries here that are mostly VOID of useful books. (literally, the libraries here almost have more people with useful information than books with useful information). so i had to seek out this stuff on my own.
so now i still hear people DEMANDING the information on a platter just handed to them, and yet even if i did (which i have one time) they were still dissatisfied. and since they had the information and not a clue what to do with it to make it work, they were pissed. and where does that leave me? looking at the most arrogant idiot i have ever met. he got what he wanted, and it didn't work like he had planned. and that is only PART of why i will not just hand over EVERYTHING here.
the rest is somewhat financial, and other is INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, and with which i and more than glad to offer help on your projects, and learn from things i do not yet know about, and likewise handing over everything is stupid. ok here's an example:
trailer park, nowhere, USA. person wins lottery. soon, money is all GONE, and what have they really achieved? NOTHING. they lost their friends, family, and respect. their financial "ship" has come in, and they didn't know what to do with it. if they did, they would not be waiting for the "ship to come in" and save them from their wretched lives of misery.
so responsibility: 2 words: ABILITY to RESPOND properly to the situation.
with that in mind, i cannot reasonably justify handing everything over.
i treat this board not as a fishing scheme, or as "trolling" for products, or money. i have not offered to sell any of it. in other words NOT FOR SALE.
this board, as on the front page is "FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY" so to respect the site owner's property, i must respect the purpose of the forum.
this is to learn, to ponder, think, such forth.
this is not a business transaction board. (correct me if i am wrong ADMIN)
and as known the name of my business has yet to have ever be placed on this board, and like so i have tried my best to respect the site owners wishes to not use it as advertising space, and to give information, suggest ideas to promote learning and thought, and also hint toward SAFETY during this.
and whilst i still get e-mails of appreciation for the information from those who DO NOT POST HERE, i am surprised at the number here who openly bash compared to the piles of e-mails that i unfortunately have not enough room for from those who appreciate this. i am not here for self glorification. i just came here to offer information. i might be wrong and i try not to cop attitude, and the chances to throw mud have been many, yet i do my best NOT to, and still the demands.
i am not trying to brag, and yet it looks as though those who do post don't realize what a resource this site really is. and those who do not post, would rather stay out of the politics of it all, and sit back, observe and learn.
observation, which is the primary skill required to achieve the science experiments of today into success, seems to be lacking even on a local scale, here in Alaska. they do not observe the times when there is snow coming down, there's ice on the roads, and yet they want to drive 70 MPH on the Highway, all because "I GOT 4 WHEEL DRIVE BABY!" what a stupid thought! did they not observe that the ice was there, the snow falling and the last 50 or so cars in the ditch? some even upside down? how could you miss it? everybody was slowing down and pissing you off, so you obviously rubbernecked to see why, and stomped your foot into the accelerator, because "I GOT 4 WHEEL DRIVE BABY!"
observation. it can even save your life or somebody else's life. essential to every aspect of our lives.
well it's 1:30 AM here, and i'm gonna get OFFLINE. wife is gonna kill me!
AlaskaStar
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Lets get it passed!
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now we can all sit here at the keyboards and be mouthy and demanding, or we can get out there (away from the computer) and start experimenting with this WEALTH of information. it would more than definitely be worth it. thats how i got most of my information. i asked around and nobody here had a clue what i was talking about, and referred me to the libraries here that are mostly VOID of useful books. (literally, the libraries here almost have more people with useful information than books with useful information). so i had to seek out this stuff on my own.
so now i still hear people DEMANDING the information on a platter just handed to them, and yet even if i did (which i have one time) they were still dissatisfied. and since they had the information and not a clue what to do with it to make it work, they were pissed. and where does that leave me? looking at the most arrogant idiot i have ever met. he got what he wanted, and it didn't work like he had planned. and that is only PART of why i will not just hand over EVERYTHING here.
the rest is somewhat financial, and other is INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, and with which i and more than glad to offer help on your projects, and learn from things i do not yet know about, and likewise handing over everything is stupid. ok here's an example:
trailer park, nowhere, USA. person wins lottery. soon, money is all GONE, and what have they really achieved? NOTHING. they lost their friends, family, and respect. their financial "ship" has come in, and they didn't know what to do with it. if they did, they would not be waiting for the "ship to come in" and save them from their wretched lives of misery.
so responsibility: 2 words: ABILITY to RESPOND properly to the situation.
with that in mind, i cannot reasonably justify handing everything over.
i treat this board not as a fishing scheme, or as "trolling" for products, or money. i have not offered to sell any of it. in other words NOT FOR SALE.
this board, as on the front page is "FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY" so to respect the site owner's property, i must respect the purpose of the forum.
this is to learn, to ponder, think, such forth.
this is not a business transaction board. (correct me if i am wrong ADMIN)
and as known the name of my business has yet to have ever be placed on this board, and like so i have tried my best to respect the site owners wishes to not use it as advertising space, and to give information, suggest ideas to promote learning and thought, and also hint toward SAFETY during this.
and whilst i still get e-mails of appreciation for the information from those who DO NOT POST HERE, i am surprised at the number here who openly bash compared to the piles of e-mails that i unfortunately have not enough room for from those who appreciate this. i am not here for self glorification. i just came here to offer information. i might be wrong and i try not to cop attitude, and the chances to throw mud have been many, yet i do my best NOT to, and still the demands.
i am not trying to brag, and yet it looks as though those who do post don't realize what a resource this site really is. and those who do not post, would rather stay out of the politics of it all, and sit back, observe and learn.
observation, which is the primary skill required to achieve the science experiments of today into success, seems to be lacking even on a local scale, here in Alaska. they do not observe the times when there is snow coming down, there's ice on the roads, and yet they want to drive 70 MPH on the Highway, all because "I GOT 4 WHEEL DRIVE BABY!" what a stupid thought! did they not observe that the ice was there, the snow falling and the last 50 or so cars in the ditch? some even upside down? how could you miss it? everybody was slowing down and pissing you off, so you obviously rubbernecked to see why, and stomped your foot into the accelerator, because "I GOT 4 WHEEL DRIVE BABY!"
observation. it can even save your life or somebody else's life. essential to every aspect of our lives.
well it's 1:30 AM here, and i'm gonna get OFFLINE. wife is gonna kill me!
AlaskaStar
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by BillyHydrogen » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:00 am
I fourth that notion, I have been working on a membrane to seperate gasses. A gentleman is coming to my shop this afternoon with some material he has been working on, My problem is getting to the keyboard to post and share.
I think some of the ideas here are really good. I am alittle skeptical of using chemical reactions due to the maintanance issues and by-products. That sure doesnt mean it couldnt be refined to acceptible levels. I really feel there is a low energy simplistic way to crack. For some reason the explanation of the carb style with a very thin layer of water struck me.
Something I immediatley thought about was a old style ice machine that used to run thin water over a smooth plate at a angle. I may try this, Using ionizing wires over the top of the plate with high volt-low amps and vibrate the plate similar to the rate stan meyers suggested? Just a thought.
Alaska, I don`t think anyone is demanding anything from you. This idea of getting hydro on demand is a complicated issue. I sure dont want you to think that I am, Cause I certainly am not. Everyone has ideas, Some want their ideas refined and advanced. I for one am looking for the best solution to work on. Regardless of its style. If you have read the Art of War, And This is kind of what it is, A war to find a solution. It takes many different personalities and methods to conquer the task at hand.
I do however sincerely thank you for making me much more aware of different methods that I had not even considered.
I think some of the ideas here are really good. I am alittle skeptical of using chemical reactions due to the maintanance issues and by-products. That sure doesnt mean it couldnt be refined to acceptible levels. I really feel there is a low energy simplistic way to crack. For some reason the explanation of the carb style with a very thin layer of water struck me.
Something I immediatley thought about was a old style ice machine that used to run thin water over a smooth plate at a angle. I may try this, Using ionizing wires over the top of the plate with high volt-low amps and vibrate the plate similar to the rate stan meyers suggested? Just a thought.
Alaska, I don`t think anyone is demanding anything from you. This idea of getting hydro on demand is a complicated issue. I sure dont want you to think that I am, Cause I certainly am not. Everyone has ideas, Some want their ideas refined and advanced. I for one am looking for the best solution to work on. Regardless of its style. If you have read the Art of War, And This is kind of what it is, A war to find a solution. It takes many different personalities and methods to conquer the task at hand.
I do however sincerely thank you for making me much more aware of different methods that I had not even considered.
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by mrgalleria » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:26 pm
See the topic ALASKASTAR and his design for current experiment results.
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