Low energy Input, mass hydrogen output methods in use.

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B0rriska

google Magneto hydrodynamic propulsion to get your water/electrolyte to move through a magnetic field

I have been looking at this for a few weeks.

Lance

[owl]

zendog,

Thanks for the information. What you posted is good information, and most interesting. I am patiently waiting for my SS to arrive so that I can dive in and catch up to you with the experimentation.

Any chemists out there that can help us out?

Thanks,

[Orange_Crusader]

zendog, I'm very curious as to the size of your cell, both in dimensions and amounts of chems used.

Gas production that's above what electrolysis could do at that voltage/amperage is very encouraging.

I'll do what I can in the chemistry department, updating and revising as I learn more (we're just starting a unit on molarr enthalpies, energy needed to break bonds, etc. etc. so that will help), but I'm limited to the school curriculum, and correcting and expanding as we go along. Sorry if it's been confusing.

owl, with the discharge reaction you posted, I was under the impression, as posetd by another member, that it would make water, with the H2 and O2 bonding. Still not sure about how electricity changes this, whether or not it makes gases instead of water.

zendog, the acid being reformed is exactly what I think is happening in the cell, both the acid and oxide are being reformed if not seperated. Your tests suggest mixing them isn't such a bad thing after all, gases are still made.

My education suggests that yes, you are changing the CaSO4 into oxide and acid using electricity, which will react. I myself still don't know how much energy it takes to make those chems bond or how much it takes to split them, but I'll learn it soon enough. Just wish I knew it now.

I'm eager to see the differences between a cell with only acid in there, and one with Ca as well as acid, and if the addition of it is substantial. Do you have a way of measuring amp draw, or resistance (can use resistance to calculate amperage, Ohm's law) as well as voltage?

Measuring gas volume is a tricky thing to do at home without equipment. One easy way could be to see how long it takes to fill a 2L (or 1L, or any size) bottle, or measure how much is produced in a caertian time, in a minute, or 5 minutes, etc.

And I wish I could be that chemist, but I'm limited by lack of experience and limited (but growing) knowledge. My main problem is that I don't know how to figure out the rate of reaction, or if it'll even be taught (how electricity changes the rate) in the next unit (which is rate of reaction, somehow it (curriculum) seems to be lining up with this thread nicely).

A few tests, with some safety precautions, should be fine. Unless our hydrogen production is bomb-like (I wouldn't complain, but you might), or you happen to be doing it while the house in on fire, we should be fine. If sulfur fumes are produced, or there's a chance of anything sparking, do it outside, for your own safety, both from the cell and from the wife.

I'll have to take a look at the magnetic field talk myself, I've only read a few small articles, and it sounds convincing. Water, after all, is a polar molecule, with negative (oxygen) and positive (hydrogen) ends. All electrolysis does is stretch it using 2 plates of opposing poles to break the bonds. Magnets also have opposing fields, and if the force is strong enough, it seems reasonable that magnets can help break water.

I believe there is more to this than we see or know now, so I encourage any and all ideas, questions (I'll try to answer to the best of my ability), or concerns to be voiced. There is most likely more than one part to what Alaskastar hinted at, a combination of techniques and ideas. Since we have no way of putting a decent-production unit into a suitcase as of yet, we'll have to keep trying, combining and including different ideas. I don't tthink it can be simply electrolysis, or simply a chemical reaction (what we have now seems to suggest that these two can be linked), or only frequencies or other methods. I believe the holy grail system will use the advantages of several systems into one, we just have to find the right combination.

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[owl]

[Orange_Crusader]

[btrautman]

I have found this thread very interesting. I myself am working on a few projects in this area...one is pictured below.

Regards,
Bob

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trautman:

What is it? Looks like a motor plumbed to a reaction chamber thingy.

Orange:

I believe AlaskaStar is suggesting by omission, that regenerating the
acid via a secondary method isn't necessary, but happens automatically
at the plates somehow. BEMET posted the amps-per-gram chart
a page or two up.

[btrautman]

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