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[Bob Boyce]

At resonance, it is possible to drop well below the voltage level per cell required to sustain brute force electrolysis using stainless steel. Most of those larger cell stacks were run from 140 to 160 VDC, which was obtained by rectifying/filtering 120 VAC from a wall outlet or inverter. As far as current goes, no more than 4 or 5 amps of DC is required through the stack. The size of the plates does determine this, I do my research with 6" X 6" 16 guage 304 or 316. I have acheived a 40% higher output efficiency total with 316 vs 304 (198% vs 238% of Faraday) at DC, so I prefer 316. Resonance enhances the DC performance, so the more efficient your unit is at DC, the more efficient it is under resonance.

Bob

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Bob,
Hope you are feeling better as I know your health is not so good.
i tried sending you an email again but is proberbly lost in cyberspace.
In Australia we have 240 volt ac for domestic use. What sort of rectifyer should I be using (One of my cells will be a 120 plate).
I was also wondering in your experiments what you have opperational at the moment.
Kind Regards
Mark

[Bob Boyce]

Hello Mark

I am feeling better than I was last week for sure. I'm still having difficulty doing things, in a lot of pain when I exert myself in any way, and still having some trouble breathing.

Your email arrived fine, as did the first one, it just took a day or so to arrive.

You may be able to buy a US standard inverter, or just go with a 150 to 180 cell unit to make use of your higher voltage, depending on if you want just good DC operation, resonance, or both. 120 cells will not even come close to being enough if you want to consider resonance an option. You will need a bridge rectifier mounted to a heat sink for cooling, that is rated at like 400 volts or so and 20 amps or more. Even though you would never get to those ratings, it's best to have a lot of margin to handle power line spikes, ect.

Operational, here? Nothing, Zip, Nada!

Until the workbench in the new shop is ready for experimenting, the cells and other associated hardware are still stored at another location. I have the bubblers, and assorted test/measurement equipment at the new shop, waiting to be put to use. For obvious security reasons, I can't really go into details about exactly what is where. I hope you understand. If you look at the water fuel museum DVD, that location where the 70 cell unit was shown in operation is where I used to work on it. My health, and the lack of a controlled environment, kept me from being able to work there very much. It was either too hot and/or humid during the days, or too cold at nights, to be able to get much done most of the year.

Bob

[eco]

Bob,
Is 316 better in every situation or only for resonance?,and what about thickness.

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Bob,
Thanks for the advice. I am doing this in stages..straight dc and then resonance. (little steps for me)
I am happy your health is on the improve and your new workshop will be ready. I am still setting up mine.
Have a good weekend.
Mark

[Bob Boyce]

Yes eco, 316 is better than 304 for all phases of this. At brute force DC, catalytic reaction DC, and resonance reaction.

Bob

[eco]

I never used 316. That means,I will improve efficiency of my new electrolyser.

[Bob Boyce]

Sounds like a plain water test to me. If you expect a replication to work, you have to follow the design to the letter. You can't expect the right results with the wrong test.

That is my biggest issue with "replications". People will build something, and make changes or modifications to the design based on materials availability or cost, then when it doesn't work, they blame the design instead of their lack of ability to replicate in a manner that is true to design. If it is built according to design, then it is a true replication. This includes proper use and preparation of materials, accurate construction practices, and proper conditioning/operation. Anything else is not a true replication, and may or may not work depending on how botched the replication attempt was.

Bob

[Bob Boyce]

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[MarkinAustralia]

[Bob Boyce]

Start out with mixed then only add distilled water. You'll need to go through the preparation and conditioning process. Search this site for that, it has been well covered. Even buying distilled water, and at about 50 cents a gallon at most Wal-Mart, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than fuel.

Plain tap water will gunk up your cells so fast that you'll spend more time cleaning and reconditioning, than you will running it.

Well filtered rain water works great. Just be sure to collect it in plastic containers so it does not take on any metal ions that can contaminate your cells.

Solar distillation works for free. After all, that's where rain comes from

Bob

[Bob Boyce]

This has been covered, and I'm getting to hate reruns

If water were used at a rate of a gallon of water per a gallon or two of gas in a booster system, I would agree. But the amount of hydroxy gas a gallon of water can produce (over 1800 to 1 in volume), can increase the efficiency of the burn of many many many gallons of gasoline.

Bob