Happy man

[Nerd_Weed]

[waterbard]

[eco]

[eco]

Hi glenn,
You wrote faster than you thinking.I never wrote "totally inaccurate",I wrote is "not accurate."
Next: I compare rotometer with Yamatake ,not flometers and bottle type measuring.

[Bob Boyce]

I don't know about the flow meters that eco has but I routinely check the calibration of both of my medical oxygen flow meters against calibrated containers. I also dry the gas with dessicant to get rid of water vapor when I do readings. My method of hydroxy gas production does not produce any byproduct gases when distilled water is used. The use of salt, baking soda, or any other compound that contains products that would contaminate the gases, is not something I will do, as long as I can get NaOH or KOH.

Bob

[Bob Boyce]

[eco]

[Bob Boyce]

[MarkinAustralia]

[Bob Boyce]

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Bob,
Thanks again,
I will be using 316and constructing you cell design with high accuracy.
Why I asked the question was I saw a photo of a frank roberts cell and it looked in bad shape.
I was going to build one of his as well but I know of no one who ever got results like he did.
So I am going to focus on your design and collaberate with Bluey and Glenn in Australia. ( we live far appart but can see each other occasionally)
I decided not to do the Stan Myer replication (like Dave Lawtons) as heaps of people are doing that.
I worked out when you had your car on block your cell would have been producing at least 120 litres per minute to achieve that. I find it hard to believe you were doing that with so little power(defys all my past conditioning)..but I totally believe it happenned.
I am visiting peter lowerie in NZ latter this month but to get the same result as you got with your 60 cell unit (about 120 litres a minute min) he was usining over 6kw and even if it runs as he has calculted will still require 1.8 kilowatts to get the same output.
Happy man (given measurments are accurate) without pulsing achieved a great reult at .45wh per litre and according to my figure (am not good at maths) 10 times better than that. To be honest i would be happy with .45 wh per litre but following what you have done I hope to get sub .1wh per litre.
Luckily for my birthday I got what i needed to finish my workbench and can get about constructing the cell, will be getting a duel trace oscilliscope and be studying electronics again.
Once again thanks for your help.
Mark

[MarkinAustralia]

Hi Bob,
Iust another question. bellow was something I read of yours and is quite honestly mind blowing.
My question is that you averaged 155 watts..I am trying to figure out what the peak power draw down is (even if it is for a short time) so I have the right capacity equipment (power supply) to handle it.

Thanks Mark

At idle it consumed about 55 watts, averaged. With the wheels spinning at speed so that the speedometer read approximately 60 MPH, it consumed about 155 watts, averaged. There was no tachometer on that vehicle, so I had no RPM figures documented. This was calculated from the 13.8 VDC power input, not the output from the power supply, so power supply losses are included. The method of control was on/off power switching, so the power consumed had to be calculated by averaging on time vs off time. Instantanious current was higher, but of limited duration. In other words, I had to take the high power when running and average over time. The more gas consumed, the longer the duration of on time vs off time.

[Bob Boyce]

During on-time, the current consumption was 19.8 amps @ 13.8 VDC on that particular unit. Everything was powered from the frequency modified inverter. I rectified the output to supply ~140 VDC to the cells. Part of the unrectified output was applied to the transformer as the waveform source. The pressure switch turned the power on and off to the unit to maintain a small working pressure.

The drawback to that 60 cell unit was having to keep tweaking the frequency on the fly to keep the operation running as resonant frequency drifted. Applied voltage was so much higher than what was really desired for 60 cells that some heat was generated. Temperature stability was more of an issue. This is why I went to more cells on that style unit when I delved back into the research. It lowers the per cell voltage so heat generation is not as much of a problem.

At 70 cells, some heat is still generated, but not as much as I had with the old 60 cell unit. At 80 cells, heat generated is lower, and at 90 cells there is almost no measurable heat generated at all, it only runs a few degrees F above room temperature. At 100 cells, the unit runs at room temperature, and depending on room temperature, sometimes requires a heat source to initiate the reaction.

I concluded that regulation of supply voltage up or down would allow temperature to be maintained at the level desired at a given number of cells. This maintains frequency stability of resonance to a very acceptable level.

Bob

[MarkinAustralia]

Thanks bob,
I can see how you got the average of 155 watts with time and and of.
I wonder if the rising temp was causing the frequency drift.
I will build up a 90 cell unit (the 316 I ordered is 124 sheets so I can build a small one as well)
I will also get built a controller that varies the voltage according to temprature. Mine wont be going into a vehicle so the surrounding enviroment will always be at a stable temp.
That leads me unfortunatly to another question...Howw do you measure the frequency of the cell (i gather this might have been visably looking at the gas production) and do you think it would be possible to have the frequncy automatically adjusted. i was thinking of writing some software to perhaps vary the frequncy to according to gas output so it is aytomatically getting the optimum result.
Mark

[BOBBY R]

hi bob boyce was reading threads as usual. noticed you posted info about water purity. i posted about this in another thread. you replied you were getting a reverse osmosis unit. have you gotten one yet? if so how has it worked out. i,m deep into the power project but still looking into the ( hopefilly) near future. thanks. hope you are feeling better. on a personal note i go into the hospitar for another operation on the 14th. i sympathize with your health problems. feel better.........bobbyr