Cell performance with Fuel Injected Engines

[parrishabc]

[weggl]

[parrishabc]

Thanks Warren, appreciate your help!!

Still trying to figure out if adding hydroxy gas to an EFI engine (always) results in poorer gas milage (without altering the electronics). My results to date have shown poorer milage on my Toyota Sequia with approx 1L per minute of gas. I realize that these digital adjusters can compensate but it seems that some benifit should be seen if set up properly.....just not the maximum gain.

Thought some folks might have seen some benefits but not the maximized benfits.

Warren, are you using the electronics you suggested?

thanks so much,

Al

[PJ]

[weggl]

[parrishabc]

[weggl]

[weggl]

[glenn_aircooled]

Experiences:
Helped a friend Hydroxy Boost his EFI 4 cylinder.
His unit put out over 1 L per minute [ but did create a bit of mist ]
it resulted in more power but the same fuel economy.
We then put a O2 sensor offset device - it made a big difference to
the mixture But...... the computer seemed to Re-Adjust and slowly
bring the mixture back to where it was.
Very strange - we may have set it up incorrectly.
It was turned off and we were re-evaluating our approach.
- Whever this is important or not? It was not much time till the EFI
computer went faulty and would not let car run. It had to be replaced.
---------not very conclusive is it.

[weggl]

Thanks Glen, I don't know what a sensor offset device is, the unit i posted is from what i read for the control air/ fuel mix, is this the same device as you stated?

[AlaskaStar]

Bob,

When "Patenting" a set of Letters used SCIENTIFICALLY for Research is allowed, you know that this world is out for one thing anymore: MONEY. Sad but true.

So using "HH0" as the scientific term for TWO "H" atoms and ONE "O" Atom becomes a "trademark" or "BUSINESS" Violation should be a crime unto itself.

Now Stepping Backwards into the future.

As for the Technicalities involved with "Experimental" fuel systems on your cars, I have found that to achieve this LEGALLY, you must meet the requirements of a KIT CAR. now a "pre-fab" kit is dandy, but anyone handy with fiberglass and chicken-wire can make their own as well. look the I/M requirements of a KIT CAR, and you will note the "looseness" of it, and should be an avenue for people to look.

A politician (with LOADS OF MONEY) once told me this: "It's not HOW you go through the system, looking for the loopholes and jumping through them, it's more about HOW TO CIRCUMVENT the SYSTEM to get what you want done."

so, in light of this, the Local NASCAR race-way track has a set of rules for the cars, in those rules contains in a book that is a whopping 16 pages thick, including the cover pages, all DOUBLE SPACED TYPE, and LARGE (14 or 16 point font) typeset, are the rules. anyone who BUILDS LATE MODEL CHASSIS for racing, knows this simple rule: LOOK BETWEEN THE TEXT. Basically if the rules DON'T say that you CAN'T, then do it.

Do what they didn't say what you couldn't do. that's how to get through it.

So, Hydrogen powered genset, electric powered car, batteries need recharged, or if you cannot afford batteries en masse, maybe your ONE BATTERY needs charged QUITE OFTEN *WINK-WINK-HINT-HINT*

And now the precedence for a KIT CAR is borne in your nearest parking stall.

And I still think it's a crime to patent or trademark scientifically generic terms used by the layman for business purposes (In my opinion).

AlaskaStar

[kevinsatterfield]

I dont think its " HH0 " as anyones trademark...thats simply just how they describe wat they are producing right?Ther trademark name wuld be for expample "AquaGen"

[AlaskaStar]

Sorry for being "off topic" here.

And what of the term "Hydrogen On-Demand" becoming a trademark?

Sony Trademarked the "Laptop" and now they are sold as NOTEBOOK COMPUTERS!

Like I said, Patenting the English (or any language for that matter) Language for BUSINESS USE is WRONG. to fine someone for using the language they were taught to speak, and because it is a BUSINESS CRIME, by golly.......

So if English is the American Language, then I hereby denounce the ability to speak or write ENGLISH. I no longer speak English. I speak BAD AMERICAN.

I don't know about you, but I think I'll develop and trademark the newest thing and call it " The Quantumbitchumboobilator" and watch the brains at the patent and trademark office laugh their arses off. see how silly it is? and they act so serious about it. I know their married life is suffering, and so are their social lives. I live on earth once, I got 1 try to do what I want to do, and what I have to do. I am not going to live my one try and only chance trying to be better than the next guy. I am going to be happy, regardless of what is going on, and I have better things to do with my 1 chance on earth than to worry about someone using a goofy name of nothing more than sounds and try to make them suffer. I refuse to judge a person as a whole, and condemn their life in their entirety based on one action. they also have but one chance to live life. for that, I never get called to jury duty ever again.

and it's within my rights and "freedom of religion" to do such. I may believe different than others, and there may be no specific name for what I believe in, but should that stop me? NO.

So I may have to do things a certain way to keep from having more than 90% of my only chance to life spent in a bird cage. and so I do what I must, but the rest is my choice in the end. I ultimately determine my end fate here on earth for any good and bad choices I make.

Sorry for being "off topic" here.
might need this hijacking of thread moved to the PUB under the legal mumbo jumbo for automotive use of hydroxy thread.

AlaskaStar

[glenn_aircooled]

[PJ]

[quote="parrishabc"]Thanks for the info. Guess the physics are that the hydroxy gas is creating a better burn which in turn shows up as being lean to the O2 sensor, then the computer compensates by providing a richer fuel mixture causing the decrease in miliage.

Anyone disconnect the O2 sensor on their vehicles using hydroxy gas?

Thanks,

I do know on a few vehicles it won't idle, but if it does it goes into open loop, a rich mode.