My current working design and the future design to be built

[savage1r]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and I've read alot of the posts in this thread. I have some videos here of my current design which is pretty much to see if I could get a working copy of people's plate designs and I am very pleased with the results as a first time experiment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7125&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6104&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9365&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0221&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0288&hl=en
And BELIEVE ME, this is undeniable proof that if I can build a unit like this, ANY idiot can build one.
I've been reading the posts from Alaskastar and kudos to him for being so helpful and mysterious in his answers yet I think I've found something close to what he is describing which is a combination of a few designs I've seen on this site plus the main idea he's been trying to bang over our heads since his first posts. This is a picture of what I think Alaskastar is talking about.
http://picasaweb.google.com/savage1r/My ... 4321446850
And I believe Alaskastar is right, but I would explain his idea a different way. Consider for a second that you're using a simple rod electrode design. Surface area is the key. If you're using a rod you're simply using all the atoms on the outer surface of the iron rod, which is pretty limited. Imagine if you could use most of the atoms contained in that same rod. The way to increase the surface area of that rod is to break it down into as many pieces as possible (Alaskastar's analogy of tennis balls to bb's). So, say you grind that iron bar into dust and filings and fill the two tubes illustrated in the drawing with them. You'll have the maximum amount of iron exposed the the maximum amount of water+sodium carbonate. This SHOULD (and believe me, I could be really freaking wrong here), but SHOULD increase the amount of hydrogen and oxygen produced massively compared to the simple rod or the more complex plates design. We are maximizing surface area exposure and hopefully making the whole process more effecient. Let me know what you guys think, hopefully I'm not totally retarded, but I probably am

[AlaskaStar]

You are starting to get this surface area thing figured out. I guess in the most layman's possible method I would Quote Archimedes:

"With a big enough lever, I could move the Earth."

How little did he know....

The fact here is that while you are utilizing very little energy/power or force, you are now using surface area to leverage your force applied. it works everyplace else, why not here? Anyone care to prove me totally wrong on this?

More surface area in a smaller containment vessel is the ability to push your forces further and do more with less. Isn't that what it's all about here?

Being able to do the so called impossible, requires better management and use of energy available. The same goes for any hydrogen powered/self powered device. I personally do NOT believe in perpetual motion, however, I do believe in PERPETUAL ENERGY. When is the last time you ever heard of all the atoms combined in any good sized mass coming to a complete stop? Last I checked, NEVER. Absolute Zero Temperature maybe, but until we are experiencing that here on earth, I would not worry about it. and besides, if the weather outside was Absolute ZERO, we would not necessarily be working on this now would we? Other things would have a much higher priority.

Keep on going. Don't give up.

AlaskaStar

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Just in case anyone was wondering, if you're using wires to connect the plates in your cells, make SURE that they are able to deal with the amount of current you put through them. I just came back from hooking my little test cell up to my car battery. Though I am VERY pleased with the amount of gas it produced, it did weld the wires that were connected to the plates and started melting the plastic near where the contact leads were SOOOO. Yeah folks, be careful, hahaha.

Jim