ElectroGasman

[kevinsatterfield]

[ElectroGasMan]

[MarkinAustralia]

[kevinsatterfield]

[ElectroGasMan]

[ElectroGasMan]

[coffeyw]

You might want to ponder the of a magnetron.

I'm not referring to resonance in the magnetron, but rather, the spiral travel of the electrons from the cathode to the anode due the axial application of the magnetic field.

Your axial application of a magnetic field to your spiral wound electrodes should increase the distance electrons have to travel to get from negative electrode to positive electrode due to the electrons having to spiral in the same direction as your spiral electrodes. But, this synergistic effect is only possible for half of the active electrode surface area in your cell.
Since the spiral wind of your electrodes doesn't include an insulator, you have an alternating polarity of electrodes. (+ - + - + - + -)
When the polarity of your electrodes is correct, the electrons spiral with your electrode spiral. When the polarity is reversed, the electrons will spiral against your electrode spiral. (Anti-spiral)
If you minimized anti-spiral electron flow by adding an insulator into your spiral wound electrodes, you might be able to enhance the spiral effects. (+ -|+ -|+ -|+ -)
An example of adding this insulator might be to use double-sided tape, sandwiching the tape between the two electrodes, then winding the whole electrode assembly into a spiral.

Also consider the .
Here's someone experimenting with a Magnetohydrodynamic drive.

I would think that you ought to be able to observe some water/electrolyte movement as evidenced by bubbles moving one way in one section of the electrodes, and bubbles moving the opposite direction in another section of the electrodes. (+ ↑ - ↓ + ↑ - ↓ + ↑ - ↓ + ↑ -)

Coffey

[MarkinAustralia]

Thanks Michael for the update. This really is an interesting project. Just one question...when the bubbles jumped everywhere (non clinging) did the gas production increase?
kind Regards
Mark

[Bob Boyce]

When I experimented with coiled electrodes, I found that the electrolyte could be made to swirl, but overall hydroxy gas production decreased. It took longer for the bubbles to get out of solution, and there was more bubble occlusion of electrode surface area, raising voltage, and reducing efficiency. Adding static magnetic fields in various configurations greatly affected the pattern of bubble movement, but did not improve production or efficiency, in fact certain field shapes further inhibited production and efficiency. The natural fields produced by the cells works better if aligned. Something very difficult to do in round cells.

Bob

P.S. Wifey is in the hospital so I have been scarce for a while.

[MarkinAustralia]

Dear Bob,
look after yourself and wife...family comes first.
Thanks for relaying you knowlege on this matter.
Mark

[coffeyw]

Thanks Bob!

I had wondered what the magnetic effect of increasing the travel distance of the electrons might be. Based on your explanation, the effect is equivalent to spacing the electrodes farther apart. That makes perfect sense, although I had also expected some sort of side effect due to the increased electrode voltage.

coffey

[ElectroGasMan]

Greetings Gentlemen

Bob-- I will be praying everything is ok. For when I am weak (Paul Said) I am strong.

This is like you Bob in your weakened state you give away a lifetime of work and secrets that is what we need. Hang in there. Anyway lets go back to the cell.

Yes this was true. The cells coiled up are pulling the bubbles in and this is not what we want for high output gas production. With the same size plate area of flat electrodes gas is liberated much more freely. No actual figures as yet however it is so clear that production has dropped that I don,t bother.

If I could give another discription of what I see? I see much finer bubbles compacted in a tighter space almost welded to the coil. Bubbles so fine that they are as a smoke with the only formations rising off the surface looking like steam but the water is cold.

Now I hope I have painted the picture here well enough to show that my coiled plates 1x12 spaced at .080 (weed whip cable) and varying amounts of NaOH make gas slower than other cells because the coil makes a magnetic field that has frozen everything to the vortex.

Now when I put the magnet rings on each end something happens that is totally opposite of the above. The patent calls for magnet rings. Instead MANY bubbles jump high off the surface. The gas production may not be higher at this point, I don't know, but it does seem to be greater as I have spent time observing.

As Bob has stated many times that an experimenter must follow all of the instruction of a given invention and I may never get them all.

One thing I have not done and until I do it I will not measure gas output. That being make the water and NaOH flow rapidly into a bubbler looking canister called the gas liquid separtion tank.

In the explaination of what occurs when coiled plates and magnets are subjected to the flowing liquid and the SPIN state is in full force the Oxygen molecule bonding is varied. I repeat is varied under the spin effect. In other words you would say that without a pulse circuit of varying content the electromagnetic spin sets up its own type of pulse variations.

Evidently it is common knowledge that oxygen is more susceptable to the influence of a magentic field than hydrogen. It follows that the expression "varied" or possibly a natural pulsation is the cause for the H2O to break apart more easily using the oxygen as the weakest link.

The varied bonding caused by this cell arrangement is not enough of itself or the patent would not have called for the fast sweeping action of a liquid to carry out the full process.

To me it apears that what this paper has stated is that with a coiled cell a magnetic field causes some spin and the ceramic magnets also magnetize the water causing a variation of the O2 bond and then a rushing fluid takes it away very quickly so that more of the process can occur.

This is a mechanical undertaking. Not easy at all. Many cells, many tanks and pumps.

To me the whole thing sounds like a municiple water supply purification plant where designs are made to fascilatate other plant operations.

However it is an interesting design and I am still scratching my itch of explorations in cell construction.

I cut a more narrow more magnetic plate tonight to use with these same magnets just to see if there is a difference.

Gentlemen thank you for reply. I will be in touch.

[MarkinAustralia]

Thank you Micheal for the testing you are doing.
i was wondering if a picture was possible.
i am also interested in what way raing the them say to 70c would do on the production rate.
If I remember the designe it had a pump driving the water at the bottom of the cell to help promote the flow of water.
i look forward to seeing your gas rate and power figures.
We are busy here in Australia conducting our own experiments. As soon as I have something worthwhile I will post it.
Appart from following bobs design exactly...we are going through a series of tests to see how each factor influences gas production.
While this is going on we are also going to test hydroxy production on a 5.5 kva gen set. It is being modified this week so we can electronically adjust the timing and progresively reduce the fuel as we introduce hydroxy. We will meter the gas flow as we progresively y increase the load of the motor.
My ultimate aim is to get below .5wh per litre of gas...but with bobs help and following his design I hope to achieve down to .1wh per litre.
The project you are working on was one I was going to tackle next year but I am both thankful and excited that you have undertaken to do this.
Kind Regards
Mark.

[ElectroGasMan]

Hi Mark

I have uploaded a picture of the cell setup for all to see. I am getting ready to measure gas. Votex cell apparatus. Things are moving along.

[MarkinAustralia]

Thanks mate will be keen to see the results..I should send over some beer..you saved me a lot of work
Mark