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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2006-07-28T05:22:57-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/feed.php?f=1&t=813 2006-07-28T05:22:57-04:00 2006-07-28T05:22:57-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7862#p7862 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
Very well put. too bad something like this isn't at the forefront of every disputed technology or topic in the limelight.

I have experienced the "grandeur effects" of those with stacks of degrees saying that something is not supposed to be possible, and yet they witness it, and even participate in it, and yet cannot believe for it has all been explained and proven out, and they understand it, but are stuck in the old teachings of some family tree member or influential person in their life, that said it was not possible, and they belived it, and have not changed. And it is my personal opinion that a Masters Degree in Blindfolded Underwater Basket Weaving While Inverted, does not amount to having any more knowledge in one respect than another. while there are those who are good thinkers and not so good at buidling, there are others whom are good at building and not so good at thinking things through. this must be taken into account. as the speaker for SBIR/STTR/TREND Alaska said

"They have proven that a public speaker must choose the verbage, and intellect level to match those of an average 6th Grade language skill to speak to large crowds and even smaller crowds of adults."

IF that is for adults....then waht about kids? and if they must use words fit for kids to talk to adults without problems, are we really doomed?

and that is Professional advice, from the University of Alaska.

this does not preclude that everyone is stupid. nor does it say that everyone in the crowd will easily understand the topic at hand.

so it all boils down to educating yourself. This is not here to bash, but to bring to light that even the most controversial of technologies can be worked with and properly researched without much bickering.

I do believe that the "joe cell" needs more proper research, and more sophisticated laboratory equipment than even I can afford for a few more years.

Maybe it works, Maybe it doesn't. It sure has inspired one thing through it all: HOPE. hope that htere is another way. and while that has transpired, it has opened the doorway to regular Joe's to research it, and try it out. and maybe even look other directions if it fails. maybe that was the whole point of the Joe Cell. Maybe it wasn't. either case may be true. I am not to argue it. Proper research will prove it out, and of course there will be opposition, but that is to be expected. when is there not opposition to things that may cause change. people do not like change, and it makes people uncomfortable. so why change? these are things for you to look at when researching this out. and even I must remind myself to do this at times. like now.

AlaskaStar

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2006-07-26T01:44:10-04:00 2006-07-26T01:44:10-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7814#p7814 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
Actually I agree with both of you even tho you don't seem to agree
with each other for the moment.

Nature IS a free lunch, all the flora and fauna built and energized by
multitudinous radiant frequencies. The challenge of getting that free
lunch (on this dimensional plane) has always been how to catch
(or corall) it.

We live in a wonderful time, what with the internet, patents of those
who've gone before, webpages like rexresearch, jean naudin, etc.
It's really possible to learn quite a bit without (or should I say, before)
building a device. In fact the more a person studies and fathoms true
principles, the fewer mistakes, waste of time, energy and materials.

Some people are very good building things, but weak on theory. Their
devices will look great but not produce OU. No amount of manual skill
alone will produce an OU device, but by sheer pluck. Then there are those
of us, better with theory, but not necessarilly the skills or resources
to do it up impressively. So some things just have to wait.

Thinking is a skill, as is searching out information, and the discipline of it
is good exercise, very gratifying and worth the effort, much better than
having everything laid in one's lap. Not everyone deserves to have what
they want just when they want it. That's instant gratification, and
leads to people being spoiled and ungrateful. Further, the evidence can
be found from numerous sources, so to get personal and pugsley with
individuals is actually giving away your own personal power to accomplish
by simply going around them.

No one can really prove anything to anyone. That's been demonstrated by
inventors with working devices and less education than their observers,
who simply refuse to believe what they're being shown. Everyone needs
to get the proof that satisfies them, without resorting to, or being
victimized by, abuse. That's not the proper use of energy, IMHO.
A person must first believe something is possible before they can
discover it, and discover they should. Belief alone isn't good
enough and needs to be satisfied. The acquisition of knowledge
(discovery) is the dues a person pays. It's not even possible to
convey some things to persons who haven't similar aptitudes or covered
the same topography. There are some who feel life is just a set
of technical challenges without any moral conclusions, or effort to be
expended (a false premise) so in that sense, it's not "free."

Now as for the Joe Cell, I've seen the videos and that's proof enough
for me. At the same time I'm not satisfied with the myth, and after
careful study, think I know why it works, already stated. Oh you
can be sure I'll build one, or a hybrid, as circumstances (high gas
prices) drive me to it. I'll do it for ME, not someone who insists I
provide yet another demonstration already provided by others.

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2006-07-25T09:02:52-04:00 2006-07-25T09:02:52-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7798#p7798 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by waterbard — Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:02 am


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2006-07-25T04:32:10-04:00 2006-07-25T04:32:10-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7793#p7793 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
Waterbard, you said the joe cell "steel and water contraption is a classic example where people aren't seeing the forest for the trees. People concentrate WAY to much on finding that one secret, or that one piece of the puzzle, when in reality, it's how you put it together."

Can you show us some working examples of what you are talking about- maybe something you have built yourself?

I thought so.
Bill

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2006-07-24T09:31:54-04:00 2006-07-24T09:31:54-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7778#p7778 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by waterbard — Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:31 am


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2006-07-24T08:50:25-04:00 2006-07-24T08:50:25-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7774#p7774 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by decisive — Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:50 am


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2006-07-22T19:28:13-04:00 2006-07-22T19:28:13-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7750#p7750 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
But, then I remembered this article from New Scientist a few months back (see link below)

excerpt:

EVERY year, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics awards prizes for the best papers presented at its annual conference. Last year's winner in the nuclear and future flight category went to a paper calling for experimental tests of an astonishing new type of engine. According to the paper, this hyperdrive motor would propel a craft through another dimension at enormous speeds. It could leave Earth at lunchtime and get to the moon in time for dinner. There's just one catch: the idea relies on an obscure and largely unrecognised kind of physics. Can they possibly be serious?

The AIAA is certainly not embarrassed. What's more, the US military has begun to cast its eyes over the hyperdrive concept, and a space propulsion researcher at the US Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories has said he would be interested in putting the idea to the test. And despite the bafflement of most physicists at the theory that supposedly underpins it, Pavlos Mikellides, an aerospace engineer at the Arizona State University in Tempe who reviewed the winning paper, stands by the committee's choice.
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yeah, thats right the military is interested while all the mainstream scientists are shocked because the idea flys in the face of the accepted theories, which currently construct our reality of how things are SUPPOSED to be...what Charles Tart calls the "concenscious trance."

the military knows its possible because they know about Tesla's ...

http://www.newscientistspace.com/articl ... space.html

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2006-07-22T18:50:39-04:00 2006-07-22T18:50:39-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7748#p7748 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
Wrong, in fact water, which is everywhere in our lives, is perhaps one of the greatest mysteries of any substance on Earth. I can exist in many different states and there is an active field of research in this area in mainstream chemistry and physics and it is far from being understood.

check out this abstract below and then google search ("magic number" and water) and see what you find... more later...




J Chem Phys. 2005 Jan 22;122(4):44309. Related Articles, Links


Origin of the magic numbers of water clusters with an excess electron.

Lee HM, Suh SB, Tarakeshwar P, Kim KS.

National Creative Research Initiative Center for Superfunctional Materials, Department of Chemistry and Department of Physics, Division of Molecular and Life Sciences, Pohang University of Science and Technology, Pohang 790-784, Korea.

Electron-bound water clusters [e(-)(H(2)O)(n)] show very strong peaks in mass spectra for n=2, 6, 7, and (11), which are called magic numbers. The origin of the magic numbers has been an enigma for the last two decades. Although the magic numbers have often been conjectured to arise from the intrinsic properties of electron-bound water clusters, we attributed them not to their intrinsic properties but to the particularly weak stability of the corresponding neutral water clusters (H(2)O)(n=2,6,7, and (11)). As the cluster size increases; this nonsmooth characteristic feature in stability of neutral water clusters is contrasted to the smooth increase in stability of e(-)-water clusters. As the magic number clusters have significant positive adiabatic electron affinities, their abundant distributions in atmosphere could play a significant role in atmospheric thermodynamics. (c) 2005 American Institute of Physics.

Statistics: Posted by decisive — Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:50 pm


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2006-07-22T12:00:00-04:00 2006-07-22T12:00:00-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7740#p7740 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
I'm sure you're correct on all the points you made, but
I'm not sure where you're going with it.

Have you read Schauberger? He was charging water simply
by pulsing the flow through vortical pipes, and the assemblies
levitated! Joe Cell inventor (Joe) said a guy got his truck to
do that, and that such affects were sometimes associated
with the cell, which means it's just an issue of how much
charge enters the cooling system. Personally I don't find
levitating trucks too practical at 60 mph in a crosswind. My
goals are more modest-- running without petrol.

Schauberger's experiments are easy to do for a person with a
budget.

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2006-07-22T10:51:26-04:00 2006-07-22T10:51:26-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7737#p7737 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by waterbard — Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:51 am


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2006-07-22T02:54:25-04:00 2006-07-22T02:54:25-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7731#p7731 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> www.nutech2000.com

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2006-07-22T02:52:13-04:00 2006-07-22T02:52:13-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7728#p7728 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
anyway he said a couple of things were not correct with the documentation you can get from www.nutech.com.au

1) joe didnt plug the outlet of his cell

2) the water was 'conditioned' for 3 days using a 75v power supply (guess he meant 72v) ... when he drunk some it made his hair stand on end

while you're shopping at nutech, check out their stuff on the hendershot generator, its very cool, sucking 1kW from the earths magnetic field ... could that be a usable power source to drive our under unity electrolysers

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2006-07-22T00:04:29-04:00 2006-07-22T00:04:29-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7724#p7724 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]>
Hey your last post was well-put, and well-taken.

Well the reason I think inductance plays little or no part is because
the JC at stage 3 or 4 doesn't really conduct, and in order to have
inductance you need conduction, and more than that, change of
flow. Inductance being that circular flow of magnetic particles
around a wire, you don't see much of that in a JC. Sure the water
circulates, but I think it's more about static electricity leaking off
the tube elements, to the cover, along the connecting tube to the
block.

I mispoke in earlier post about stripping electrons. Stuff had been
posted in the groups about that and i was misinformed. Joe was in
fact able to raise a spark from the block.

And I agree with you that other dielectrics may be more reliable
than water. (Porous carbon super-capacitors come to mind) but
water is what circulates in a water-cooled ICE and that's what holds
the charge to make the JC system run. Yeah, very sad the auto
engineers keep giving us a moving target to try and improve. I drive an
older vehicle that I'm still able to fix myself and need a JC or
improvement thereof for economic survival as will others when petrol
hits $5.00/gal. So yes, I'm playing with improving the JC.

Ambient humidity might be part of tempermental performance, also
time of day when "orgone" (static electricity particle density) goes down
as in late afternoon/night. So I agree, have a plasma/static electricity
generator (van de graff, plasma panel) buzzing away, leaking charge
to the water block via some containment/conduit. But the voltage of a
JC is pretty weak and I doubt there's much arcing from the connecting
tube to the manifold, especially over the rubber hose segment. I'll admit
it does appear pretty lame and amazing to run at all, probably a
cosmic joke to confound the Ph.d's (Piled Higher & deepers.)

US DOT already has plans for mileage/road tax. Will probably put RFID
tag on all license plates. See:

http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/

http://www.worrad.com/2004/12/06/oregon-dot-pilots-
program-to-track-and-tax-mileage/

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2006-07-21T12:13:41-04:00 2006-07-21T12:13:41-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7712#p7712 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by waterbard — Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:13 pm


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2006-07-20T23:13:04-04:00 2006-07-20T23:13:04-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=813&p=7694#p7694 <![CDATA[Joe Cell?]]> Statistics: Posted by MarkinAustralia — Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:13 pm


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