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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2008-07-19T18:02:00-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/feed.php?f=1&t=2109 2008-07-19T18:02:00-04:00 2008-07-19T18:02:00-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20460#p20460 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by maxc — Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:02 pm


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2008-07-19T03:10:36-04:00 2008-07-19T03:10:36-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20438#p20438 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]>
Hybrid:

I am planning something similar to what you have suggested. I have mentioned it parts of it in a couple of threads. I am planning a Low Voltage Cell with 20 plates 12"x2.5" (18 Guage 316L ss) spaced 1/16" apart in 4" tube that is 18" long. I will have a bubbler with a mix of Hydrogen Peroxide (50% dilution) and Isopropyl Alcohol with an aqarium style air stone pushing atmospheric air along with the Hydroxy towards the engine. I hope, that what I will get is sufficient volume plus some of the peroxide and alcohol vapor mixed with the Hydroxy and Nitrogen rich air ... Now I know there there are better alcohols to use, but this stuff is CHEAP and FLAMABLE and available at every dollar store in america.

NOW Back to our regularly scheduled program

FlashBang!

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2008-07-19T00:36:13-04:00 2008-07-19T00:36:13-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20437#p20437 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> come into the cell. A crazy, but maybe a worthwhile thought. 50/50%
water/methanol (pre mixed) circulated through a cell after passing
through a heat exchanger (next to the exh manifold). The electrolysis
will make hho & the steam rising from the hot water/methanol mix will
combine at the top of the cell. WILL the HHO & Water/Methanol steam
become a decent combustable mixture ? Also possably pump atmos air
into the cell to introduce some nitrogen to the blend might help ? Just a
thought that came to my mind. Cheers !

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2008-07-18T14:15:27-04:00 2008-07-18T14:15:27-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20431#p20431 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by huck — Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:15 pm


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2008-07-18T13:00:40-04:00 2008-07-18T13:00:40-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20429#p20429 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by chemelec — Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:00 pm


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2008-07-18T10:12:24-04:00 2008-07-18T10:12:24-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20414#p20414 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by Looking In — Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:12 am


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2008-07-18T01:49:54-04:00 2008-07-18T01:49:54-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20399#p20399 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]>
Thanks for posting that video, it certainly sounds nice. However, I too question a couple of points..

1. Volume - REASON - He claims 5L/Min but he does not show a prototype nor burning gas.
2. Claim that he is even producing anything other than steam. - REASON - No prototype shown, no burning gas, only theory and drawings.
3. Claim of results on 13.5V with "nominal bias charge" from STEAM (I presume he means low Amperage) - REASON - It has been stated several times in this forum alone that STEAM is a very poor conductor of electricity. This is because, WATER is non-conductive and as water vapor, it probably is not carrying around its own electrolyte for just such an occasion.
4. Claim of a Semi-Permiable Membrane that will allow Hydroxy Gas through and prevent moderate pressure and temperature STEAM (Water Vapor) through.... -REASON- Water is much smaller than almost all other molecules. For example, it has a smaller volume, and is much lighter, than the four other common atmospheric molecules, oxygen (O2), nitrogen (N2), argon (Ar) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Right away, this seems fishy that he claims Hydroxy when his membrane would have to be sized TOO SMALL to let the O2 through, so at best he would only be getting HYDROGEN. But now lets examine the Hydrogen for a second. We have members who are losing Hydrogen out of thier systems with only 6 inches to go to the butterfly valve... it appears that his electrolyzer is open on both ends... and the Hydrogen is given free roam of the system.

ALL of that being said... I think that this guy is trying something of value. He is trying to raise the energy levels of the water (i.e. weaken the covalent bonds by raising the temp and expanding the molecules and with the heat, also exciting the electrons potentially to higher orbits and thus making it easier to steal them away or rather make it easier to pull the entire molecule apart by lowering its specific density). Kind of like taking it half way to Thermolysis then Brute Force(ing) it over the hump. The design is pretty simple, perhaps too simple to be realistic. I think that IF he has something workable.... then he has left out a LOT of the detail which would be needed with this type of design to make it feasible.

Well anyway, that my thoughts on the subject.

FlashBang!

Statistics: Posted by FlashBang — Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:49 am


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2008-07-17T19:40:25-04:00 2008-07-17T19:40:25-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20390#p20390 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqOnNDTR ... re=related
I thought other members in here might want to see & discuss it.
The permeal barrier Tom uses to stop the steam escaping I queery tho.
Maybe 3 spaced layers of perforated s/s above the plates/electrodes,
with larger holes in the lower one & smaller holes in the 2 layers above,
might capture the rising vapour. The condensation can then drip down &
be drained away to cycle back to the manifold. A s/s wool mesh layer
above the perforated s/s layers might be able to screen the last of the
steam ? 5 litres of steam & hho mixture per minute maybe ? If Tom lit
the hho leaving his cell, to prove it ignites, I might believe the results.
I've pondered on the thought of steam passing through fine filtering s/s
mesh. But seperating the rising steam from the hho, is a puzzle to me.
Cheers !

Statistics: Posted by Hybrid — Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:40 pm


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2008-07-04T03:57:25-04:00 2008-07-04T03:57:25-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=20027#p20027 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by FlashBang — Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:57 am


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2008-06-27T11:46:54-04:00 2008-06-27T11:46:54-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=19870#p19870 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by FlashBang — Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:46 am


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2008-06-27T03:02:36-04:00 2008-06-27T03:02:36-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=19868#p19868 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by FlashBang — Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:02 am


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2008-06-27T02:03:33-04:00 2008-06-27T02:03:33-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=19863#p19863 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> The size and thickness of the materials to contain this kind of pressure are huge. You are talking about schedule 120 pipe. Very thick and very heavy. All joints will have to be welded by a certified pipe fitter who has been certified for steam pipe.
And if there was a leak, you might be able to hear it (it's in the ultra sonic range)but you won't be able to see it, and it can cut and cauterize body parts. This stuff is more dangerous than working with HHO without a bubbler.

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2008-06-26T23:57:25-04:00 2008-06-26T23:57:25-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2109&p=19858#p19858 <![CDATA[High Temperature Electrolosis]]> Statistics: Posted by hydroxrox — Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:57 pm


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Catalytic converters run hot, at around 600-700 degrees if I remember correctly.. it may be significantly lower in a hydroxy boosted car, given the better fuel efficiencies. Could that possibly be something to consider as a heat source, that you had previously overlooked? It should tap into the wasted hydrocarbons that would have previously been wasted.

Idunno, it sounds like a great idea to me, Just throwing some stuff on the table for consideration. :)

Statistics: Posted by Cryptonic26 — Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:25 pm


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