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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2008-05-12T10:18:12-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/feed.php?f=1&t=1925 2008-05-12T10:18:12-04:00 2008-05-12T10:18:12-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17900#p17900 <![CDATA[Re: What kind of water?]]> Statistics: Posted by chemelec — Mon May 12, 2008 10:18 am


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2008-05-11T18:28:08-04:00 2008-05-11T18:28:08-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17890#p17890 <![CDATA[What kind of water?]]>
He pointed out that whatever impurities were in the water would settle to the bottom of the cell and would require periodic "flushing" to remove the deposits.

The frequencies which work best for the cell have been independently verified by many researchers. There are several which are harmonically related; any one of the several may be used by itself (some are more effective than others), or as with the Boyce method the three most effective frequencies may be applied simultaneously.

Some researchers have even been able to isolate the pulsing waveform that is most efficient. It is a composite waveform consisting of a desired fundamental frequency with the harmonics superimposed to make what looks like a rippled sawtooth.

Sadface said:

"I doubt harmonics of pulses would do any good. What is needed is the pure wave that matches the natural frequency of the setup."

Many have thought this initially, but experimentation has revealed that exceedingly narrow pulses, which are very rich in harmonics, are a necessity for maximum efficiency. It has also been discovered, primarily by Boyce, that the positioning and sequencing of the pulses is very critical.

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2008-05-10T20:55:49-04:00 2008-05-10T20:55:49-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17879#p17879 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]>
Distilled water can be up to 18.31 MΩ·cm. Using 10cm by 10cm plates placed 1cm apart gives 183.1KΩ. So theoretically, if you use 1500VDC, you get less than 0.01A.

I doubt harmonics of pulses would do any good. What is needed is the pure wave that matches the natural frequency of the setup.

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2008-05-10T19:05:57-04:00 2008-05-10T19:05:57-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17877#p17877 <![CDATA[Meyer Secrets]]>
Please do not think that I am trying to limit your experimental flexibility in any way. I'm simply trying to steer those who may be interested towards the true nature of the phenomenon that Stan discovered.

If you read the European Patent you'll get a much clearer picture in your mind of what Stan was working with to produce the hydroxy gas with such little power input.

It requires some searching to discover the unrevealed details.

Such as the minimum voltage gradient to achieve sufficient stress on the water molecules: 1500 VDC

The pulse frequencies and their harmonics: Bob Boyce has verified these with his own research and has made them freely available to any who want the details.

There is nothing at all wrong with experimenting with conventional electrolysis and finding ways to improve efficiency there.

But to replicate Stan's success you must get outside the box and into the realm of non-electrolysis as a process.

No direct current flow through the water.

No high voltage breakdown discharge through the water.

No plasma discharge through the water.

Once you finally see the Stan Meyer Pulse Driven High Voltage Resonance process work - then you'll "get it!"

Best regards to all,

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2008-05-09T23:08:39-04:00 2008-05-09T23:08:39-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17870#p17870 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]> Statistics: Posted by kaosad — Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 pm


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2008-05-08T21:39:19-04:00 2008-05-08T21:39:19-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17860#p17860 <![CDATA[Stanley A. Meyer non-electrolytic hydrogen/oxygen cell]]> Statistics: Posted by SeaMonkey — Thu May 08, 2008 9:39 pm


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2008-05-06T07:43:52-04:00 2008-05-06T07:43:52-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17846#p17846 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]> Statistics: Posted by piccolo — Tue May 06, 2008 7:43 am


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2008-05-05T08:58:38-04:00 2008-05-05T08:58:38-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17838#p17838 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]> Statistics: Posted by kaosad — Mon May 05, 2008 8:58 am


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2008-05-05T01:59:01-04:00 2008-05-05T01:59:01-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17834#p17834 <![CDATA[Stan Meyer and his Water Fuel Device]]>
His documentation, and strange explanations, were designed to shroud the simpicity of the concept in a lot of deceptive "gobbledy gook" in order to make it seem far more difficult than it truly is.

Most who've tried to follow his documents have gone astray by placing too much faith in the accuracy of his circuit diagrams and explanations. Just take them for what they really are, an obfuscation, and cling to the simple principles of the concept.

Well Insulated concentric tubes with a very thin layer of highly efficient high voltage insulating material.

A static high voltage applied to the tubes to develop the high voltage gradient across the water between the tubes.

A critical pulse frequency superimposed upon the static high voltage which will serve to stimulate the atoms in the water molecules to break their bonds and separate into gases.

The pulses must be very, very narrow; time durations measured in nanoseconds. The pulse frequency and amplitude must be "tuned" to effect the desired production of gases between the plates of the cell. The frequency of the pulses will be in the 20 KHz range, the 40 KHz range or in the 120 KHz range. Or you may use the Bob Boyce method of applying three harmonically related pulse frequencies simultaneously.

Bob Boyce has made some interesting breakthroughs in pulse generation with his Pulse Width Modulator circuits and his toroidal transformer. There are numerous ways to produce the static high voltage (Kilovolts) with high frequency components such as are used in the Solid State Tesla Coil drivers.

The cell, when properly constructed will resemble a capacitor in its makeup. There will be no direct current path between the plates through the water, but the pulses superimposed upon the high voltage will result in an AC/RF currrent because of the reactance of the cell. It is this current flow, which should be relatively small, that will stimulate the water molecules.

If you already have electronics training and experience it will not be too much of a challenge to experiment with the concept. If you are lacking training and experience in electronics then you'll need some help. Check to see if there's a Ham Radio Operator anywhere close. They're always very happy to help others with electronic projects.

And by all means start small. To test the concept construct a small cell with flat, parallel plates as Stan did. No need to go full bore into the full sized unit until you've mastered the techniques of tuning it up. The tuning must be done very slowly and will require a great deal of patience. This is not the kind of project that beginners will have any success with.

As always, anytime you're working with high voltage, exercise extreme care. The high voltage supply doesn't need to produce very much power. Make certain that the high voltage it produces is low current so as to be non-lethal. Never take unnecessary risks.

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2008-05-04T09:32:59-04:00 2008-05-04T09:32:59-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17818#p17818 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]> Statistics: Posted by kaosad — Sun May 04, 2008 9:32 am


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2008-05-04T09:24:52-04:00 2008-05-04T09:24:52-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17817#p17817 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]>
ok. so I have a 120/5000V transformer step u Xfmr.
I have a 12V PWM- for running off a car battery.

I was thinking of putting the PWM output into the step up Xfmr,
creating 500V pulse train & feeding it into my HoH gen. The hoh gen is
has 16' or 316 wire wound inside

Anything you recomend or not?

What kind of results have you gotten? Any vids or anything to see?

SeaMonkey- you have been studying hoh a long time I see.
Can you tell me more about where people are goin wron following Meyers work?

thank

Patrick

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2008-05-03T22:09:51-04:00 2008-05-03T22:09:51-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17813#p17813 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]>
I think his secret is the feedback circuit which he did not mention how it should be done.

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2008-05-03T18:18:47-04:00 2008-05-03T18:18:47-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17812#p17812 <![CDATA[Meyer's Conceptual Explanations]]>
The circuit diagrams were made purposely difficult to interpret and lacking many essential elements.

Meyer was attempting to protect the secret details of his Hydroxy Cell.

Others who have researched it have concluded that high voltage is necessary, as are pulses at a specific frequency range; but not exactly in the manner revealed in the Patent documentation.

The cylindrical "electrodes" in the Meyer cell are not used for electrolytic decomposition of the water, but rather, are insulated to prevent direct current flow through the water. Their function is to provide a high voltage gradient across the water between the plates to establish "stress" upon the molecular dipoles. Then the pulses which are superimposed upon the high voltage "tickle" the molecular bonds into disassociation which produces gaseous hydrogen and oxygen.

The gases are not produced at the surfaces of the "electrodes" as is the case in electrolysis, but in the midst of the water between the electrodes.

The concentric electrodes are not functioning so much as a capacitor; but are operating as a transducer to apply the high voltage stimulation to the water molecules between the electrode surfaces.

That was Meyer's secret.

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2008-05-03T03:50:31-04:00 2008-05-03T03:50:31-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1925&p=17806#p17806 <![CDATA[Meyer fuel cell]]>
Well it's great to have an electrical engineer on board.

One thing I did notice in the Meyer Patents is that the top curves of the step charges he is giving to the cell look like a capacitor charge/ discharge graph. Since we know that the cell is a water based cap it doesn't make that much difference anyway. But I'll dig out some of my electrical textbooks and whack up the graphs so the rest of you will know what I mean.

There are also a bunch of formulas that I haven't seen anyone here use and I think perhaps you should be using them. Time constants, capacitor charge/discharge rates, and the like.

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