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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2008-02-07T04:21:52-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/feed.php?f=1&t=1408 2008-02-07T04:21:52-04:00 2008-02-07T04:21:52-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=16872#p16872 <![CDATA[Diesels and Hydrogen]]> Statistics: Posted by Chriso — Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:21 am

]]> 2008-01-04T12:25:43-04:00 2008-01-04T12:25:43-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=16462#p16462 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by wapajk — Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:25 pm

]]> 2007-12-24T07:28:58-04:00 2007-12-24T07:28:58-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=16396#p16396 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:28 am

]]> 2007-12-20T07:31:09-04:00 2007-12-20T07:31:09-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=16365#p16365 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by Andy — Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:31 am

]]> 2007-03-22T13:54:15-04:00 2007-03-22T13:54:15-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12537#p12537 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:54 pm

]]> 2007-03-22T08:32:55-04:00 2007-03-22T08:32:55-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12532#p12532 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by Bluey — Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:32 am

]]> 2007-03-22T05:22:13-04:00 2007-03-22T05:22:13-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12529#p12529 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> Statistics: Posted by Bluey — Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:22 am

]]> 2007-03-22T01:51:27-04:00 2007-03-22T01:51:27-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12527#p12527 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]>
I suggested leaving the pump at idle to prevent excess pump wear when introducing more fuel. not everyone is very well versed in Diesel Technology, as well known no lube in the pump, means...well frankly, not much left of the pump. Diesel fuel isn't very much of a lubricant, so what little the pump actually gets is pretty slim.

Have you played with the LOW SULFUR DIESEL (VLSD) Fuel in older rigs?
I have seen the effects, and it isn't very pretty. Locals here pour 15W40 DELO into the tank prior to filling up to prevent this type of damage.

I'm going to be working on an Older IDI 7.3 IHC Navistar, as it is severely out of time, and needs other work performed (rear axles need rebuilt, Air bags added to leaf springs, the transfer case rebuilt, and brakes with new parking cables)

Other than that, not much else going on here other than work, work, work...

AlaskaStar

Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:51 am

]]> 2007-03-18T19:33:45-04:00 2007-03-18T19:33:45-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12469#p12469 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> I would just like to correct a small error made by Alaskastar. He suggested, " to leave the injection pump AT IDLE.....".ALL diesels are equipped with governors, (the reason will become clear)so if the throttle was set at idle and gas introduced we could expect an increase in speed, the governors would respond and reduce fuel to zero. No fuel no noise.

IF we were foolish enough to LOCK the control linkage (eg rack) in a low delivery position, we must assume that at some time we are going to get an increase in RPM. Because this reduces leakage past the pumping plungers and because of the additional inertia, the fuel deliveries increase, this causes an increase in speed which increases fuel input,which increases....... You have a runaway engine that CANNOT be stopped unless you eliminate air or smash the fuel pipes. You have seconds in which to do this and it cannot be done from the driver's seat.
Believe me it is a frightening experience.

I once acted as an insurance adjudicator in such a case where the pump had been incorrectly calibrated. The driver 'lost it' on a down hill run, the flywheel exploded, dropped the gearbox on the road, spread the chassis 10 inches, and left a stunned look on the driver's face that stayed for some days. His dog that was sitting on the other seat did not fare so well.

Diesel Injection Techs may not be the brightest light in the street but they do have responsibilities, so PLEASE DO NOT TAMPER unless you know what you are doing. In many instances there may be a sensible solution.
Regards
Blue

Statistics: Posted by Bluey — Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:33 pm

]]> 2007-03-16T22:45:15-04:00 2007-03-16T22:45:15-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12439#p12439 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]>
So I am not going to say that it would be impossible, but I know there is much room for improvements.

So I can easily fathom them running virtually silent, and having loads of power.

Check out the CYCLONE Engine....Smooth, VIBRATIONLESS, and powerful, used NO TRANSMISSION to get power to Wheels.

Now apply to Diesel Technology.

AlaskaStar

Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:45 pm

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My question IS?

Could a diesel like that run without rattling?

Statistics: Posted by ElectroGasMan — Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:19 pm

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I bought 8 NGK # CM-6 Spark Plugs. I purchased 8 Adapters (metric) of plumbing sorts to be fitted into the Glow-plug holes. Installed Plumbing Adapters, and installed spark plugs to adapters.

Next, I removed the Injection pum itself and all the lines. I left the injectors in the heads, but put "Scratch Protectors" that I procured at a local hardware store over the tops of the injectors to prevent dirt and crap from getting into it.

I borrowed a Magneto from a 1936 Ford Truck that has a V-8, and it has 2 mounting bolts directly opposite , and my injection pump has 3 mounting bolts evenly spaced around a circle.

After several hours of fiddling with the mag to determine which of the 3 mounts i was going to use a single bolt to mount it with, and the same went for the 3 bolts in the drive gear.

I had to buy "Solid Core" type plug wire, which was just RAW material, and had to buy all the ends as well, and make a set of wires (Not an easy task- it crimps and ruins too easy). Then after all was connected, test to make sure that timing was "Close" to where it needed to be, and started the vehicle.

The results were that it did run. the gears for the pump and pump mounting housing had to be replaced when I was done. the performance was not very good, as I had no way to control the throttle, It rattled, popped, and banged erratically, as I must have been off a few degrees.

AlaskaStar

Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:33 pm

]]> 2007-03-16T02:00:05-04:00 2007-03-16T02:00:05-04:00 https://www.oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1408&p=12428#p12428 <![CDATA[Hydroxy and Diesels]]> However I am flying back to the states for three weeks of 16 hour workdays with a dyno and gas emission testers.
The company I will be working with modifies injectors for power and economy as well as electronic plug ins that produces around 30% more power, with a clean burn, by changing the the way the fuel is injected.
Why I am there we will test
1. Before and after turbo performance of hydroxy gas induction
2. The optimum volumes of hydroxy according to engine speed and capacity(to much and your pissing against the wall as you are wasting energy substituting hydrogen for diesel)
3. The correct injecting sequence and timming to take full advantage of hydroxy injection.
This work is costing many tens of thousands of dollars...but given that no one has every bothered to get these stats it will be interesting. Just for fun we will measure how much gas it takes to run a 5hp engine and effects on the power output. For this I will build a waste spark remover and timming adjuster.
i wont be able to publically release the exact data but i will generalise on the outcomes. I wont be online for a while as I have to leave for the USA on the weekend.
Thanks Bluey and Alasks...PS Fred you better come and visit Zsa Zsa is cooking lunch.
Mark

Statistics: Posted by MarkinAustralia — Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:00 am

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On the CNG/LNG (Natural Gas) the way to run a diesel on this is to leave the injection pump AT IDLE. then, vary the N.G. (Natural Gas) input. Natural gas will not ignite under the temps and pressure generated by a diesel engine (naturally aspirated, Natural gas admitted to intake air stream).

So...the Diesel Fuel MUST still be used, but only now in terms of being the "pilot light" for the NG fuel. Same can be and has been done with Hydroxy gas.

Propane on the other hand will ignite PRIOR to the piston actually reaching TDC of compression (almost 35 degrees) and will typically blast holes into the tops of your pistons. Special pistons, and heads/ head gaskets (copper gaskets) must be used an this process is ungodly expensive.

LNG-Direct Inject: this is a special injection system that injects LIQUID NATURAL GAS into the cylinder just like diesel fuel, and this DOES ignite and burn like diesel, just without all the soot.

LPG-Direct Inject: SAME AS LNG DIRECT INJECT.


I hope that this answers a bunch of questions.

Oh! and a Diesel engine runs a bit different than the Gas Jobs, as the air remains constant, and the only variance is the fuel. to make the engine run faster, add more fuel, to make it run slower, don't pour so much in.

Hydrogen Fuel in a Spark Ignition engine is typically controlled in the same manner. To increase Torque and RPM, add more fuel to the intake air, to slow it down, don't put so much in. The reason Hydrogen cannot easily be used in a diesel engine is the fact that Hydrogen will NOT ignite under heat, nor pressure. You can heat hydrogen and bring it up way past 20,000 PSI, and it will NOT ignite. You MUST have a SPARK, FLAME, or GLOWING EMBER (like charcoal combustion) to ignite the hydrogen fuel.

High compression engines such as a diesel would do great, IF it has a SPARK ignition system for the Hydrogen Fuel. This is ungodly expensive to install, not just the machine-work to the head,s but the fabrication of the ignition system as well.

Keep Warm!

AlaskaStar

Statistics: Posted by AlaskaStar — Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:48 pm

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I am not sure what to tell the man about the %% ? Anyone? I think Bob answered this once but there has been so little spoken about this other than it being thrown in with the gas engine info, makes it more fun to find.

Thanks Group

Michael

Statistics: Posted by ElectroGasMan — Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:21 pm

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