Stan Meyer Water Fuel Cell Replication

[Bubz]

Hello, I have successfully replicated Stanley Meyer's demo cell using the alternator and nine tube sets. As shown in the video, the input power is about 5V 2A or 10 watts, not including the 1/2hp motor. The results were beyond my expectations although, the process is still plain electrolysis yet, a very efficient design for this type of application. Further testing is underway and more videos to come. Please enjoy the pics-n-video!

Bubz


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[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Beautiful execution. Nice video too.
Keep playing with it, your close. Have you tried any coils inline?
Bill

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Bob Boyce also had good success with the 42,500 frequency,
and derivatives of that number. I still believe greater success can be had with high voltage potential, and if so, frequency would be less of a factor.
If you have listened to a couple lectures by Stan, you know that he puts little importance on frequency. See his Colorado lecture.
I am working on the high voltage method at the moment.
Remember, Stan said that his design was to be so simple,
any one could build it in their garage.
Bill

[Bubz]

Thanks mrgalleria, I have not tried the choke coils yet but, I will soon. My goal for the most part is finding the so called "resonant action" Stan Meyer wrote and spoke about.

[ismael_34]

hola bubz

HENORABUENA

yo tambien estoy creando una replica de stanly meyer.la verdad es que estoy replicando de dave lawton,sin el alternador,aun me queda mucho,aun estoy creando el circuito con los 555,ya subire un video de mi trabajo

por otra parte no te da miedo de meter 13 bar,es muy peligroso


chauuuu

[ismael_34]

hello bubz

HENORABUENA

I also am creating a replica of stanly meyer.la truth is that I'm replying to dave lawton, without the alternator, although I have a lot, even I am creating the circuit with the 555, and upload a video of my work

otherwise you're not afraid to put 13 bar, is very dangerous


chauuuu

[iteration69]

I've been studying this work for nearly 5 years with the intentions of finding a factual fault or proof.

** If you do not like to read stop now this is quite a ramble***

Now I'm free to ramble about some things I've been thinking about for a long time.

I believe there is a little more to the WFC design than he let on in the patents. My understanding of the technology has had many revelations over the years. But one part of the circuit always puzzled me until recently.

The puzzle was this: How can the cell have kv potential with a diode that has a PIV of <600v? Now i believe i have the answer to that question. And it's simply "tuning" (*1)

The problem is the answer, if it is the answer, has opened up another door of complications. It's hard enough trying to match an ideal cell capacitance with a fixed and adjustable inductor for a frequency range. But i believe there is more to this than simple electronic tuning.

Lets back up and assume it's a simple matter of tuning.
What we have is a classic LCR circuit. If it's tuned to be resonant, then we have a tank circuit.
What do we know? There was a fixed inductor, an adjustable inductor, a transformer,a diode, and a capacitor constructed with stainless steel tubes using delrin and water as the dielectric. A lot of people think the water was the only dielectric. But i see no reason to believe that.

We think we know the frequency range but we do not know where the frequency was measured. Was it measured at the source? At the secondary of the VIC, or at the water cap. Each point will have a different frequency. I don't recall any specific statement in the documents regarding the reference point of the frequency.

This certainly makes it difficult to find values for the inductors. While trying to figure out the frequency or at least of good starting point i realized a few things.

1) The tank circuit MUST have a large band-width. For those of you who know tuned circuits you know this means very low Q. Knowing that the circuit requires a low Q, the question then is. What is the controlling factor on Q? The answer is resistance. The more resistance the circuit has the lower the Q, and thus the greater the band-width.(*2)

This is not exactly how i came about the notion that we need a low Q. In fact, it was quite the opposite. I knew that SS wire was used, which was called resistance wire in some references. Why else would he use high resistance wire in a tuned circuit if not to control Q or BW.

2)Assuming we need a low Q, High band-width tuned circuit the next step was to run some of the alleged frequencies through a regression algorithm to find possible capacitor and inductor values. I tested numbers for days until i realized that i needed to look at this from a different angle. Stan mentions a "physical force" imparted on the water molecule at resonance. I assume he is referring to an acoustically resonant cavity since this is also mentioned in the documents as a “tubular wave guide”. Now it is really getting complex. Before we can fathom finding the inductor values, we need to know the natural frequency of water in terms of mechanical vibration, or a sub harmonic. Then we need to know the speed of sound through water in order to build a tuned cavity.

The speed of sound in water can be found easily, but we need a way to find the natural vibrational frequency of water. Assuming we know the vibrational frequency. The next challenge is to determine node, or anti node reflection. That is a cavity that is 1/4 wave, 1/2 wave, or 1 wavelength.

Again running some numbers it is found that the cell spacing determines the acoustic cavity frequency. The node, or anti-node reflection is the efficiency (IE, how much energy is imparted to a standing wave as compared to friction) Mind you this is still mechanical. If we can get past this point we can then calculate the cell spacing based on the above mechanical prerequisites.

3) Assuming a lot here, we have the cell spacing. We can now calculate the cell capacitance using standard capacitance area formula and plugging in a rough dielectric.(*3)

With a calculated cell capacitance, we can't find resonant inductance without the frequency. BUT we know the frequency, because our plates spacing is based on the natural vibrational frequency of the water and the cavity type we used (node, anti-node).

Plug in the capacitance and the frequency. And you have the required inductor value. Knowing that we want a low Q, or high BW. We solve for R.

At this point we know:
The natural vibrational frequency of the water
The cell spacing
The water capacitor's capacitance
The resonant frequency of the tuned circuit
The inductor values
And the total resistance of the tuned circuit

What we don't know:
How does a <600v PIV diode block voltages in the kv range?*1
How do we detect large current flows and stop them (chop the input frequency)?


4)Electron leakage can be detected by sensing the current flow into the primary coil. As the ESR(internal series resistance) of the water capacitor drops, the coefficient of reflection will increase. This is because more of the capacitor is acting as a resistor and less as a component to introduce a phase shift. The impedance of the system will no longer be matched and a portion of the energy is returned to the drive circuitry. (*4)
Using a simple current shunt and high speed comparator we can effectively track and chop the drive frequency. With the addition of an op-amp RC timing circuit we can also implement the dead time mentioned in the documents in order to allow the water to “recover”.




Below are the foot notes owing to the above references.

*1

Lastly, the kicker. At least for me. How does a <600v PIB diode block kv? The answer is right in the schematics. It has been the entire time. But I could not see it. I'm going to digress a bit and explain why I could not see it, and possibly why you may not see it.

In short, you need to understand radio electronics. It was not until I started studying home made regenerative tube radios, that I could see how this diode worked. There are two signals in the circuit. A DC signal and an RF signal. The diode operates in principle on the DC signal. The RF signal, which I believe to be in the kv range never reaches the diode so it does not have to block the signal. The fixed inductor is an RF choke that keeps the RF energy in the tank, and out of the power circuit (the diode and secondary of the VIC) the tank being the adjustable inductor and the water capacitor. So the problem was that I was looking at the diode when I should have been looking at the RF choke.

*2
As the water temperature, quality, and amount of water deviates the properties will change. Small changes in capacitance produce large changes in frequency. Thus, a high band-width circuit must be used. As the frequency deviates from the resonant frequency of the acoustic cavity, sub harmonics will be used. This makes quite a tuning challenge of which I have no suggestions at this time. But without a high band-width circuit it is not likely to work at all.


*3
The delrin has a lump dielectric which must be calculated in addition to the dielectric of the water. I have no points of reference as to the thickness of the delrin. Further research needs to be done in regard to the electrostatic properties of the material.

*4
Transmission line theory is something I could ramble about for hours. But instead I suggest that you research it for yourself, you will need it if you want to understand this technology.

And lastly, those of you who made it this far. Give me a heads up. I loathe the idea that I'm the only person not tossing some SS sheet in a bucket of water and jumping a car battery to get some bubbles.