Doing some online research last night... I came across an interesting article on water that describes the molecular interactions in water. In particular it was discussing the Hydrogen interactions in water. It seems that water is perceived to be a stable molecule with 2 Hydrogen and 1 Oxygen... but in fact, Hydrogen atoms only stay with a single particular Oxygen atom on average less than a millisecond... and the Hydrogen is contantly moving between water molecules on its own without us adding extra energy.
Perhaps this is the key to the Meyers technology... Perhaps he found out about the free movement of Hydrogen and found a way to prevent its reconnecting with water molecules or rather Hydroxide and Water molecules and so is forcing the water to dissociate itself under its own power. Because if Hydrogen atoms only stay connected for a millisecond, then that is a very short time, and if you could prevent the reconnection, then in our perception of time, this spontaneous reaction would probably seem like a lot of bubbles forming and rising quickly.
Now, since I am not versed in Meyers technology at all... (have not had the time or understanding level yet)... this may all be utter non-sense related to Meyers... BUT... it probably would take far less energy vibrating (resonating) the water perhaps makeing the much heavier Oxygen resonate at a different frequency to prevent the Hydrogen from reconnecting than to BRUTE FORCE break the Hydrogen Bonds and Covalent Bonds ... resulting in a FAR more efficient production of Hydroxy Gas. And perhaps the key is to get the Oxygen to resonate about 1/8 to 1/4 out of phase with the other material to trigger the spontaneous dissociation.
Just my thoughts... wondering if anyone else has considered this path.
Looking In - Is this too far away from conventional electrolysis? Should I have posted this in another section?
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by FlashBang » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:16 am
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by Looking In » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:22 am
FlashBang, You are doing just fine. I'm not versed in Meyers. You bring much to OuPower. And Some of the old timers like myself love your energy. I would like to see some of your projects..
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by FlashBang » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:04 am
OK... about the link I provided to the really great water site...
There are a number of pictures that show the single water molecule, and a lot of information that is only fit for Chemical Engineers or someone taking advanced college courses in chemistry... (as far as I am concerned but dont let me sell you short). Here is another link to a YouTube video depicting a lot of information (probably rehash for most of you) on Stan Meyers work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfg1dC475OI
What I am getting at is this... in this video, you see the stages that the water molecule goes through as it is "step charged" in align it, stretch it, and eventually break it. Does anyone know how to determine the shape of the molecule, bond strength, O-H bond distance in nM, and angle of attachment of H bonds? IF we can figure out what that water molecule looks like at certain temps, we can find an optimum temp to run at... As stated in a couple of threads, once water becomes gaseous it is not a very good conductor... but the molecular shape may be better suited for low voltage, low amperage seperation at 350 Degrees ... SO we would have to be able to keep the water liquid to that temp. (Thinking using the engines exhaust as heat source - and if that is insuficient, we could always use some of the Hydroxy to heat up some 1" plate steel or Tungsten but would need plenty of production) Of course that means not only High Temp Electrolysis but also High Pressure Electrolysis But it could be the difference between 1-2L/min vs 10+L/min
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There are a number of pictures that show the single water molecule, and a lot of information that is only fit for Chemical Engineers or someone taking advanced college courses in chemistry... (as far as I am concerned but dont let me sell you short). Here is another link to a YouTube video depicting a lot of information (probably rehash for most of you) on Stan Meyers work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfg1dC475OI
What I am getting at is this... in this video, you see the stages that the water molecule goes through as it is "step charged" in align it, stretch it, and eventually break it. Does anyone know how to determine the shape of the molecule, bond strength, O-H bond distance in nM, and angle of attachment of H bonds? IF we can figure out what that water molecule looks like at certain temps, we can find an optimum temp to run at... As stated in a couple of threads, once water becomes gaseous it is not a very good conductor... but the molecular shape may be better suited for low voltage, low amperage seperation at 350 Degrees ... SO we would have to be able to keep the water liquid to that temp. (Thinking using the engines exhaust as heat source - and if that is insuficient, we could always use some of the Hydroxy to heat up some 1" plate steel or Tungsten but would need plenty of production) Of course that means not only High Temp Electrolysis but also High Pressure Electrolysis But it could be the difference between 1-2L/min vs 10+L/min
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by Looking In » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:16 am
Flashbang,
Hint.. Not plate steel or Tungsten.. It would be nickle.
Hint.. Not plate steel or Tungsten.. It would be nickle.
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by Looking In » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:19 am
flashbang,
Link of intrest? Acid and bases..
Link of intrest? Acid and bases..
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